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Old February 23rd, 2010, 03:03 PM   #2601
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You can barely or not see the other carriageway, but the yellow marking shows you this is a 2x2 road. Grassy medians are much more common and guard rails are not as frequent as in Europe.
Whether you see a second carriageway or there is a yellow line is completely irrelevant. It's the right lane for you and for everyone unless overtaking.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 03:43 PM   #2602
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I don't think everyone understands the question. What he's asking is how can you tell which lanes belong to which side on a 3-lane, bidirectional road when all the lines are white? Most of the time it's not a problem; the lines separating the different directions of traffic are thicker or more prominent than those separating lanes going in the same direction. But sometimes it can be ambiguous in a way that using yellow never can: With yellow you always know which lanes go in which direction; the yellow line is always to your left. I've personally ended up driving against traffic on a 2x2 avenue where I couldn't see the other side because of a hedge in the median. Without knowing about the other side, the two lanes looked exactly like a bidirectional 2-lane road.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 04:07 PM   #2603
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Whether you see a second carriageway or there is a yellow line is completely irrelevant. It's the right lane for you and for everyone unless overtaking.
But if you want to pass a line of trucks or other traffic, and the horizontal and/or vertical sightlines are limited, it's nice to know if you have oncoming traffic or not, so I don't think it's completely irrelevant.

Using a yellow line to separate traffic in different directions is something that would make sense in my opinion. I don't say we should implement it in Europe, but I understand the reasoning behind it.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 09:39 PM   #2604
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But if you want to pass a line of trucks or other traffic, and the horizontal and/or vertical sightlines are limited, it's nice to know if you have oncoming traffic or not, so I don't think it's completely irrelevant.

Using a yellow line to separate traffic in different directions is something that would make sense in my opinion. I don't say we should implement it in Europe, but I understand the reasoning behind it.
If you can't make sure that to overtake safely you have to leave. It's as simple as this.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 10:01 PM   #2605
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I don't think everyone understands the question. What he's asking is how can you tell which lanes belong to which side on a 3-lane, bidirectional road when all the lines are white?
Quite easy: In that case, the sides are separated by a continuous line (or in some cases two), the lanes on one side by a discontinuous line. Not too hard to get.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 10:09 PM   #2606
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Quite easy: In that case, the sides are separated by a continuous line (or in some cases two), the lanes on one side by a discontinuous line. Not too hard to get.
Yes, but not on a dual carriageway or an avenue/boulevard type road. It may be obvious most of the time, but there's room for error which there's not with yellow lines. With yellow centre lines you can always be certain of the layout of the road.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 10:10 PM   #2607
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If you can't make sure that to overtake safely you have to leave. It's as simple as this.
But if you have a yellow line to your left you would be sure of this. Not so with white.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 11:03 PM   #2608
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Cant you also see it by the reflection poles?? with Red reflectors on one side, and whites ones on one sight!
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Old February 24th, 2010, 01:44 AM   #2609
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But if you have a yellow line to your left you would be sure of this. Not so with white.
You don't need a yellow line for that. Drive with open eyes and you'll perfectly able to judge it correctly.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 08:52 AM   #2610
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I guess I'm used to the yellow centerline, being from the U.S. But I would like to see white lines on either side of the roadway on dual carriageways, like highways. Visibility for yellow lines at night is horrid compared to white lines. With guardrails and medians in the middle, I don't see why U.S. highways can't use white edge lines on both sides of the road.

Now the second question is how would you be able to tell if it's a one-way street when all markings are in white?

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Does that little arrow in the center of the road tell you that it's a bi-directional street rather than a one-way street?
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Old February 24th, 2010, 11:49 AM   #2611
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The arrow means that you immediately have to end an overtaking manoeuvre because the line is going to be continuous soon (= ban of overtaking; you can see that on the pic).

Regarding one-way streets: There are signs at the beginning and at every entrance which is enough.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 01:28 PM   #2612
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Now the second question is how would you be able to tell if it's a one-way street when all markings are in white?
One-way streets are marked as such. Any other road is bi-directional by default.

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Does that little arrow in the center of the road tell you that it's a bi-directional street rather than a one-way street?
It tells you indirectly that this. It is meant to give other information, however.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #2613
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You don't need a yellow line for that. Drive with open eyes and you'll perfectly able to judge it correctly.
That's like saying we don't need crash barriers because people shouldn't be driving outside of the road anyway. The whole point is white-only markings leave room for ambiguity and error, and in traffic that should be reduced as much as possible; it's a safety issue. There's no way you could argue against yellow centre lines being better.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #2614
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That's like saying we don't need crash barriers because people shouldn't be driving outside of the road anyway. The whole point is white-only markings leave room for ambiguity and error, and in traffic that should be reduced as much as possible; it's a safety issue. There's no way you could argue against yellow centre lines being better.
Well, I suppose you can prove that. I'm really curious to read a study that came to that conclusion.
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Old February 24th, 2010, 10:15 PM   #2615
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The arrow means that you immediately have to end an overtaking manoeuvre because the line is going to be continuous soon (= ban of overtaking; you can see that on the pic).

Regarding one-way streets: There are signs at the beginning and at every entrance which is enough.
For that in the US we use a double yellow centerline that's solid on the side approaching the curve or intersection, and overtaking from that side of the road is not allowed, and dashed on the side coming out of the curve or intersection, meaning that passing is allowed.

On the majority of rural roads in my area, there is virtually no passing because there's just not thel ine of sight for it - too many hills, intersections and curves.

Arrows are only used to indicate which lanes go where in intersections - lanes can either turn left, go straight or turn left, turn right, etc. Usually if traffic in a lane can go any direction there's no markings, but of other lanes are marked there's a triple arrow indicating left, straight ahead, and right turns are allowed from that lane. Sometimes that triple-arrow might be wide enough to overlap the white lines between lanes. Every once in a while there's a straight arrow on interstates, just as a precaution to make sure people haven't ignored the "DO NOT ENTER" or "WRONG WAY" signs, or an arrow indicating to merge left when an acceleration lane is ending, but never a double arrow at the beginning of an offramp indicating that traffic can continue straight, or take the exit ramp.
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Old February 25th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #2616
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I understand that our way of signage makes no sense for Americans.

But please bare in mind that every European learns driving by a meaning of learning a few hundreds of signs and rules. The first rule you are thought in an European driving school is "Always drive on the right". As simple as that.
Yellow markings have another function around here - they are temporary.

Conclusion: if you find it hard to drive in Europe, better do not. It requires some training, including training reflexes.
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Old February 26th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #2617
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I understand that our way of signage makes no sense for Americans.

But please bare in mind that every European learns driving by a meaning of learning a few hundreds of signs and rules. The first rule you are thought in an European driving school is "Always drive on the right". As simple as that.
Yellow markings have another function around here - they are temporary.

Conclusion: if you find it hard to drive in Europe, better do not. It requires some training, including training reflexes.
I have driven only in 1 country in the past but found it increibly easy to drive on German roads even as I was in Germany for the first time in my life. Is driving in America easier than that?
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Old February 26th, 2010, 05:32 PM   #2618
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It's quite simple: You have to know the basic traffic rules when driving in a totally different country. Most Europeans wouldn't be able to drive immediately in the US I suppose. Just like it's the other way round.
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Old February 26th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #2619
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Temporary markings in the US are exactly like permanent markings, except they're often a whiter white or a yellower yellow.
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Which doesn't make sense at all because you can get confused way more easily (having the regular white/yellow and the temporary white/yellow markings at the same time), does it?
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