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Old March 9th, 2010, 10:43 AM   #2641
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1) If a speed limit / speed limit zone sign (274 / 274.1) is accompanied with the "bei Naesse" table (1052-36), does it mean the limitation only takes place when the road surface is wet?
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2) Are normal speed limits (274) canceled by junctions? Is autobahn exit considered a junction?
No. But after entrances in a section with speed limit, there's another speed limit sign anyway. So you can't do wrong - if there's another one, your in a speed limited section, if there isn't, well, step down the throttle (like you could have done before).
Is that rule you describd applied in Poland?
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Old March 9th, 2010, 10:54 AM   #2642
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Pretty much the same here - speed limits are canceled by junctions (which is logical if you think about it) and the motorway entrances/exits are considered junctions (at least they were 8 years ago when I was passing my license).

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Old March 9th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #2643
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It doesn't work that way in the Netherlands. The motorway sign means 120 km/h, unless otherwise posted. If you enter the motorway, it's 120 km/h, until you see another posted limit, even if there are multiple interchanges and exits in between. Only other speed limits than regular (mway = 120, outside urban area = 80, urban area = 50) are canceled by the next junction.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #2644
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It doesn't work that way in the Netherlands. The motorway sign means 120 km/h, unless otherwise posted. If you enter the motorway, it's 120 km/h, until you see another posted limit, even if there are multiple interchanges and exits in between. Only other speed limits than regular (mway = 120, outside urban area = 80, urban area = 50) are canceled by the next junction.
Hmm, it works in the same way in Poland. National speed limits cannot be canceled by a junction but posted limits can (always are). As far as I understand there is no difference in Germany.

The question asked by tompaw is coming from different rules applied in the UK. Neither roundabouts nor junctions erase applied by signs speed limit over there.

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Old March 9th, 2010, 04:20 PM   #2645
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The question asked by tompaw is coming from different rules applied in the UK. No cross roads, roundabouts or junctions erase applied by signs speed limit over there.
And neither do restriction of any kind end at junctions in Germany.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 04:39 PM   #2646
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And neither do restriction of any kind end at junctions in Germany.
Right, I was wrong. PL, NL- posted limits canceled by junctions. GB, Germany- not.
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Old March 10th, 2010, 12:31 AM   #2647
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There's an obvious reason: drivers entering the road can only be fined for a lower maximum speed when they pass a sign. So a lower speed limit can only be maintained by posting a sign after each junction. Because everyone can argument he entered the road on that particular junction without a sign...
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Old March 12th, 2010, 12:02 PM   #2648
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25 people were injured in a massive pile-up on A8 near Augsburg. 100 cars and 30 trucks collided on the Autobahn due to a combination of ice and fog.

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Old March 12th, 2010, 03:05 PM   #2649
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For 17 more pics....

http://www.bt.dk/nyheder/231-biler-i...-tysk-motorvej

What a mess.........
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Old March 12th, 2010, 05:11 PM   #2650
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There's an obvious reason: drivers entering the road can only be fined for a lower maximum speed when they pass a sign. So a lower speed limit can only be maintained by posting a sign after each junction. Because everyone can argument he entered the road on that particular junction without a sign...
In Austria that's not the case either. However, lower or higher speed limits are posted at regular intervals. So if there are multiple intersections with minor roads or driveways in close proximity it saves a lot of money on unnecessary signs and avoids sign clutter. In the real world it's simply not a problem.
(just as white centerlines are no source of confusion 99.99% of the time)
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Old March 12th, 2010, 09:20 PM   #2651
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There have been several pile-ups in Bavaria today, for instance in Lower Bavaria near Straubing (41 cars and 3 lorries on 300m!) and in Northern Swabia due to fog combined with snow. Overall they counted over 100 accidents since yesterday in Bavaria alone.
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Old March 14th, 2010, 05:50 AM   #2652
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Hello Skyscrapercity members
I was wondering if anyone has got any new information or photos of the A8 (Munchen - Stuttgart) autobahn. I remember in summer 2009 they were busy expanding from 2x2 to 3x3, some parts were finished and were really great (although from concrete).
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Old March 14th, 2010, 06:31 PM   #2653
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Chris and I just checked out the B54 near Steinfurt. It seems like it's about to open soon, only some minor things have to be done and the markings are still missing. Pics will follow.
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Old March 15th, 2010, 01:00 AM   #2654
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Another new highway?

You know what I want? I want an IB Autobahn Engineering class at school. SL and HL.
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Old March 15th, 2010, 01:38 AM   #2655
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This is only a 5 km gap in the B54 that still has to be closed. After that there won't be any level crossings anymore on the B54 between Glanerbrug (NL, still N35 there) and Münster.
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Old March 22nd, 2010, 01:16 AM   #2656
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A10 Dreieck Schwanebeck-Dreieck Pankow upgrade to 2x3.

Dreieck Schwanebeck will be reconstructed, Berlin Wießensee - closed. Now it looks like this:


And in the future (picture found on autobahn-online.de):


Driving from Szczecin.




Looking towards Frankfurt/Dresden (from the bridge on the right).




Dreieck Schwanebeck.




Works on Dr. Schwanebeck - Dr. Pankow section.








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Old April 18th, 2010, 03:08 AM   #2657
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Old April 18th, 2010, 02:02 PM   #2658
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Summer travel bottlenecks

I'm quite familiar with images of August weekend's bottlenecks in German Autobahnen seen form TV. Like a 30km sector completely jammed with family vans, campers etc.

I know other countries like Italy and Austria suffer from this problem in particularly busy weekends in August, Christmas, Easter, Ascension and a couple other holidays.

However, France and Spain seem relatively immune to such horrendous congestions.

Why do you think Germany is particularly prone to such huge congestion in holidays? Do German folks travel more than average, do they use more car on family vacations or do specific bottlenecks plague the Autobahnen system?
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Old April 18th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #2659
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Well france does certainly suffer...

Think about all the trafic coming out of paris in the beginning, and returning later.

Also the whole of the Route the Soleil, is jammed with mainly Dutch and Parisian holiday go'ers!!
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Old April 18th, 2010, 03:45 PM   #2660
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Germany is a country with 82 million inhabitants, way more than France or Italy. They do have some form of spreading when people get vacation, but generally, the days are the busiest when also half of the Netherlands leaves for Italy or the Alps.

The worst holiday bottlenecks are;

* A3 Frankfurt - Würzburg - Nürnberg
* A8 Karlsruhe - Stuttgart - München - Salzburg
* A9 Nürnberg - München

during the winter, there are also problems on A7 Ulm - Memmingen - Füssen and A93 Rosenheim - Austrian border.

The main holiday peak is usually from half July to the first week of August. The French peaks are somewhat later, first in July due to Dutchmen and Germans, then in August when the French themselves migrate south.
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