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Old June 5th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #2741
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So, the traffic volume does not seem to grow-up soon or will never do I see no difference since I drove there 5 months ago, just after opening newest stretch of A38. Your explanation of reason why A38 is not too busy sounds really credible.

From what I can see "neue farbahn" and 130 speed limit signs disappeared from the newly built stretch. Do you know how long time such a limitation of speed for freshly opened "autobahn" is kept in Germany?
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On the first tunnel, limited access for trucks is still applied. Can't remember why. Do you know a reason?

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Old June 5th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #2742
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Beautiful landscape: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/...6a73ea0f_o.jpg

Some stretches seem made of concrete. How is the ride comfort on new concrete autobahn compared to tarmac/asphalt? And what is the reason they choose concrete?
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Beautiful landscape: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/...6a73ea0f_o.jpg

Some stretches seem made of concrete. How is the ride comfort on new concrete autobahn compared to tarmac/asphalt? And what is the reason they choose concrete?
1> The landscape surprised me as well, I was under the impression A38 ran through those yellow rapeseed fields throughout it's length, but it doesn't become that way until you reach Eisleben. There are some industrial landscapes south of Halle. I also really liked how they transformed those old open mine pits near Leipzig into natural areas. It's a mix of sandy landscapes, with height differences and spruce trees. It kind of felt something from the American west.

2> I'm not really a fan of concrete, even on new motorways. It generates a lot of noise and a asphalt pavement is much more comfortable. You still feel those dilatation joints in the concrete pavement, although it's not very bad.

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On the first tunnel, limited access for trucks is still applied. Can't remember why. Do you know a reason?
The tunnel is currently category E, which I believe is the most restrictive category at hand. Almost all dangerous goods have to avoid this tunnel. I don't know why, maybe EU regulation, or they didn't feel like spending a lot of valuable euros for a handful of hazmat trucks every day through the tunnel.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #2744
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2> It generates a lot of noise and a asphalt pavement is much more comfortable.
There are some bits paved with red tarmac which (AFAIRemember) generate quite a noise.
I think this is one of them:
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Old June 5th, 2010, 08:42 PM   #2745
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Germany doesn't use (very expensive) silent asphalt like the Netherlands, just regular SMA or dense asphalt concrete.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 10:18 PM   #2746
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So, the traffic volume does not seem to grow-up soon or will never do I see no difference since I drove there 5 months ago, just after opening newest stretch of A38. Your explanation of reason why A38 is not too busy sounds really credible.
You also have to keep in mind it can take up to 2 years before maps are updated and the new continuous motorway is known to the general public. For example the new A50 in the Netherlands took 3 years before reaching stable traffic counts.

Another note of importance is that a lot of German states (including major industrial centers Nordrhein-Westfalen and Hessen) celebrated "Fronleichnam", an official holiday on Thursday, the day before I made these pictures. I guess it is more busy during normal weeks.
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Old June 5th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #2747
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You are right, of course. However, I've recently checked several paper maps, English maps, and can say that A38 as complete motorway exists in all.
Even here: http://www.viamichelin.com/ Which often is not up to date.

I think that certain roads/motorways are not tend to become congested for the reasons you described some posts before.
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Old June 6th, 2010, 12:01 AM   #2748
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A7 Kassel - Göttingen

A video of Autobahn A7.

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Old June 6th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #2749
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A14 Leipzig - Halle - Bernburg

The second photo set from my trip runs northwest, from Dreieck Parthenaue near Leipzig, passing by Halle to exit Bernburg, where I took the B6 expressway. Featured is the complete rebuilding of A14 near Leipzig, in conjunction with a widening to six lanes.

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1. Kleinpösna.
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4. Leipzig-Ost
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5. Leipzig-Nordost
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6. Complete rebuilding of A14, it takes over 3 years to construct.
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7. Widening to six lanes.
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9. Leipzig-Messegelände
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14. Significant construction around Halle-Leipzig Airport, since the airport has become a significant hub in central Europe.
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16. Probably a new taxiway. Runways are situated both left and right of the Autobahn.
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17. Control tower
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18. Schkeuditzer Kreuz
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19. Begin red pavement.
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20. Gröbers.
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21. Halle-Ost
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22. End of 2x3 section.
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24. Halle-Tornau
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25. Stau
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26. Halle-Trotha
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27. Löbejun
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28. Time to get some go-go juice.
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29. Windmills, a very common sight in Germany.
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30. Könnern.
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32. Bridge across the Saale river.
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33. Plötzkau
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34. Bernburg
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35. Construction of an interchange with B6.
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Old June 6th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #2750
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chris, what camera do you use ?
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Old June 6th, 2010, 07:37 PM   #2751
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Old June 6th, 2010, 11:22 PM   #2752
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First video of A38:

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Old June 7th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #2753
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German budget cuts

I just read in Der Spiegel (in English) that Angela Merkel announced "historic" budget cuts to put the finances of the country in order.

It is an overall necessary measure, and I hope it sets example to Italy and, particularly, UK.

However, I couldn't find specifics on the impact of these cuts, if any, in road construction. I know that they are pushing a hike in gas taxes, but at the same time cutting some of wasteful pet-projects like reconstructing the Imperial Palace.

Has any major road project been cancelled or postponed due to these cuts?
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Old June 7th, 2010, 08:09 PM   #2754
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Actually road-related revenue of the German government soared since the LKW-Maut introduction. It would be weird to take those funds away. Besides that, highway construction is not where the big euros are to find. Usually road-budgets are like 1% of the government budget (including necessary maintenance you can't cut back on, especially in Germany).
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Old June 8th, 2010, 01:45 AM   #2755
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Now the outrageous and absurd project of Hochmoselübergang has even reached international attention!

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‘Monster’ Cold-War Bridge Sparks Protests by Mosel Winemakers

By Catherine Hickley

June 7 (Bloomberg) -- Ernst Loosen’s family has made Riesling in the Mosel Valley for 200 years. The winemaker, who exports to 62 countries from Iceland to New Zealand, is enraged at plans for a giant road bridge across the river.

Regional politicians aim to build the 1.7-kilometer-long, 160-meter-high bridge across the unspoiled middle Mosel by 2016. At a cost of 330 million euros ($405 million), the bridge and road will feed traffic through a forest that provides water to steep, slate-soil slopes. Riesling grapes have grown on these slopes for 2,000 years, making some of the finest Mosel wines.

“This is the piece of the Mosel which is the most intact, which produces the most famous Rieslings,” Loosen said at his slate-roofed villa near the town of Bernkastel-Kues. “The vineyards have a reputation worldwide. This huge bridge spans the whole landscape. Our only chance is to fight, to make as much noise as possible.”

About a century ago, Mosel Rieslings were the most highly prized wines, valued even above French burgundy. Riesling is now back in fashion after years of what Loosen called taste “chardonnization” in the 1980s and 1990s. German wine sales to the U.S., the most important export market, tripled from 2002 to 95 million euros ($116 million at today’s exchange rate) in 2008. About 9 out of 10 bottles exported were Rieslings.

The area affected by the bridge, which will straddle the Mosel halfway between the villages of Uerzig and Rachtig, has the highest concentration of prime “erste Lage” vineyards, the German equivalent of the French “grand cru.”

Delicate Wines

“The Mosel Valley is an absolute gem, a most unusual jewel in the world’s wine landscape,” said Jancis Robinson, a British wine writer who has joined the campaign against the bridge. “It makes Rieslings that have an unrivaled delicacy.”

As a result of the bridge, “there will be digging, there will be pressure, water courses will be changed, there will be shadows cast,” she said in a telephone interview. All that could affect the wine, Robinson cautioned.

Loosen, his speech peppered with colorful expletives when talking about the bridge, agreed.

“They are ripping up our forest,” he said. “This forest is the water reservoir for the vineyards. If you seal the surface, water can’t get into the soil. We are already seeing drier vintages because of climate change. We need this forest, which works like a drip irrigation to feed the whole mountain.”

Troubled Airport

Hendrik Hering, the economy and transport minister of the state of Rhineland-Palatinate, argues that the bridge is needed to connect European highways. He said in an April 12 statement that he also expects “additional impetus” for the money-losing Frankfurt-Hahn airport. Through his spokesman Joachim Winkler, Hering declined to be interviewed, citing time constraints.

Heiner Monheim, a professor specializing in transport planning at the University of Trier, said the bridge and road are unnecessary. Existing autobahns provide faster access to Belgium and the Netherlands, he said. Some local car journeys will be shortened, though only by a few minutes, he said.

“This is nothing but a big, expensive project for the construction industry,” Monheim said by telephone. “The bridge is a monster -- maximum height, maximum length at a place where it has a devastating effect on the landscape.”

The bridge plan dates back to the Cold War era as part of a route for transporting military hardware between U.S. airbases, Monheim said. Construction was shelved several times over the years because of court cases assessing the impact on wildlife, and then because of financial constraints.

Crisis Cash

It was only with the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. that funds became available, Monheim said. The project had been on a wish list of road plans before that, and was rushed through as part of the federal government’s 2008 economic stimulus package after the crisis.

Rudolf Trossen, 55, took part in a tractor protest against the bridge in 1980. He has been in business in the Mosel Valley for 32 years and makes organic wine for customers including Noma in Copenhagen, which was voted the world’s best restaurant in the S. Pellegrino awards in April.

“No one believed the bridge would be built, it seemed too absurd,” Trossen said over a glass of his Schieferstern Riesling at the long dining table in his house in Kinheim- Kindel. “We thought it was dead in a coffin, and then it sprang out again, like a zombie. There is no longer much U.S. military here. The Russians went home a long time ago. Why are we building a road based on the military situation in 1960? It hurts to see this happening with my tax money.”

Letter to Merkel

Local campaigners, organized by a British resident of Uerzig called Sarah Washington, are stepping up their fight against the bridge. Washington is collecting signatures for a petition to parliament, has written an open letter to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and has arranged protest wine-tastings with prominent opponents, such as Joschka Fischer, a former foreign minister.

Loosen has printed 50,000 “stop-the-bridge labels” to hang around the necks of bottles from his estate sold in U.K. supermarkets including J Sainsbury Plc and Tesco Plc. More events are planned in the fall.

Even as the diggers move across the hillside opposite Uerzig, Loosen is confident it isn’t too late.

“With every day of this fight, I am more and more convinced that our chances are rising,” he said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Catherine Hickley in Berlin at [email protected].
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Old June 8th, 2010, 03:51 AM   #2756
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Now the outrageous and absurd project of Hochmoselübergang has even reached international attention!
Just a regular NIMBY who enlists a biases specialist. If this traffic engineer were giving an opinion based on traffic counts and an ODR, I'd give him some credit, but he just seems to be one of those who are fighting new highways ideologically.

Having been driving from Wiesbaden to Maastricht twice, I can surely tell there is a gap that needs to be closed. See it for yourself http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...,1.234589&z=10

The bottom line is that someone will ever come up with an argument that his landscape is "unique", "invaluable" and so. But progress must go on. I'm sure the Autobahn network that exists nearby helps this spoiled wine maker to export his products. So I'd guess Frankfurt International Airport.

Easy to whine about a project near your place when you are already taking advantage of existing infrastructure built elsewhere.
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Old June 8th, 2010, 04:17 PM   #2757
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I posted my non-ideologic objective arguments against this project often enough.

Just found some new vizualisations of the whole road project B50n (including Hochmoselübergang)
http://www.volksfreund.de/extra/hint...159212,2463895

and a new satiric video about the absurdity of politicians about the project (some parts are of the already posted Frontal21-News):
http://www3.ndr.de/sendungen/extra_3...extra2264.html
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Old June 8th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #2758
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I just read in Der Spiegel (in English) that Angela Merkel announced "historic" budget cuts to put the finances of the country in order.

It is an overall necessary measure, and I hope it sets example to Italy and, particularly, UK.

However, I couldn't find specifics on the impact of these cuts, if any, in road construction. I know that they are pushing a hike in gas taxes, but at the same time cutting some of wasteful pet-projects like reconstructing the Imperial Palace.

Has any major road project been cancelled or postponed due to these cuts?
No, science and education and road maintaince are the only areas were nothing will be cut. However, that doesn't mean the quality of our roads will improve. like the surface, for example

in all it will be ok with the road, espcially the autobahns. will be repaired, etc. but if you will ever drive on our highways and autobahns, don't wonder if you will not find the surface you may expect/think of all time. Everything cost money and is expensive.

Wahtever, i never liked Angela Merkel much, but within today i even dislike her more than before.

Btw, check yout Spiegel Online English Site again. Updated their news about the historic cuts.
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Part II of the Autobahn A38, this video covers the central section from Nordhausen to Halle

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I posted my non-ideologic objective arguments against this project often enough.

Just found some new vizualisations of the whole road project B50n (including Hochmoselübergang)
http://www.volksfreund.de/extra/hint...159212,2463895
Very detailed and interesting video. Predicted earth cuts shown to detail.
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