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Old November 23rd, 2010, 02:37 AM   #2981
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If the speed limit is 100 km/h or unlimited depends on the motorway or expressway sign.

The "expressway sign" (Kraftfahrstraße) can also be put on a 1+1 road without hard shoulders. In this case the speed limit would still be 100 km/h unless signed otherwise. A "Kraftfahrstraße" can even exist within a build-up area, lowering the speed limit to 50 km/h.

On the other hand, any other road providing seperated directional carriageways allow the infinite limit.

So the speed limit does not depend on the class of the road, but on the layout. As soon as the two directions are seperated of each other by a physical divider (and not just road markings etc.), there's no more speed limit.

Theoretically, even 1+1 roads could be unlimted if the both carriageways were seperated from each other. But I think there are no such roads currently in Germany.
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 04:53 PM   #2982
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Old November 23rd, 2010, 08:03 PM   #2983
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If the speed limit is 100 km/h or unlimited depends on the motorway or expressway sign.

The "expressway sign" (Kraftfahrstraße) can also be put on a 1+1 road without hard shoulders. In this case the speed limit would still be 100 km/h unless signed otherwise. A "Kraftfahrstraße" can even exist within a build-up area, lowering the speed limit to 50 km/h.

On the other hand, any other road providing seperated directional carriageways allow the infinite limit.
In my opinion, you don't need a "Kraftfahrstraße" sign to allow unlimited speed. The road has to have separated carriageways for each direction (like 1+1) or even only two lanes for each direction without separation (2x2), that's it (unless signed otherwise, of course). But these are probably only theoretical cases, too as most of those streets have either a "Kraftfahrstraße" sign or an indicated speed limit.

Within settlements ("geschlossene Ortschaft", indicated by yellow town signs), there's always a general speed limit of 50km/h, but it can be higher if indicated otherwise (e. g. on a Autobahn or Kraftfahrstraße within a town). That's usually the case on major roads like e. g. the Mittlere Ring in Munich (B2R).

However, on a Kraftfahrstraße only vehicles with a top speed higher than 60kph are allowed.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 04:03 PM   #2984
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Good news in Bayern; all appeals against the construction of 17 kilometer A94 between Forstinning and Dorfen have been rejected. This means the construction can proceed.
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Old November 24th, 2010, 09:00 PM   #2985
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Finally. Well, they'll dig out another frog soon...
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Old November 25th, 2010, 09:07 AM   #2986
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Another 2+1 road:

B54 Münster - Enschede, completed 2010

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Old November 26th, 2010, 02:29 PM   #2987
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Where are the customs? They are supossed to be at 7:10 (Just kidding)
BTW, Dutchmen could eliminate that traffic light and extend the grade separation to Almelo. (And let's say Zwolle )
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Old November 26th, 2010, 02:53 PM   #2988
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Where are the customs? They are supossed to be at 7:10 (Just kidding)
European Regulation 562 of 2006, Article 22:

Removal of obstacles to traffic at road crossing-points at internal borders

Member States shall remove all obstacles to fluid traffic flow at road crossing-points at internal borders, in particular any speed limits not exclusively based on road-safety considerations.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 03:13 PM   #2989
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A curious section of Bundesstraße 258 that runs across Belgian territory between Monschau and Aachen. You don't see a 90 km/h limit in Germany often.

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Old November 26th, 2010, 03:50 PM   #2990
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Google maps shows that cut as Belgian N258

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European Regulation 562 of 2006, Article 22:

Removal of obstacles to traffic at road crossing-points at internal borders

Member States shall remove all obstacles to fluid traffic flow at road crossing-points at internal borders, in particular any speed limits not exclusively based on road-safety considerations.
I know, but it was only to make the joke.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #2991
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I know, but it was only to make the joke.
Most people seem not to know, because many member states violate this law by reducing speed limits at the borders.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 04:59 PM   #2992
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A curious section of Bundesstraße 258 that runs across Belgian territory between Monschau and Aachen. You don't see a 90 km/h limit in Germany often.

That's really weird!
How did that happen (german road passing through belgian territory)? Somethinbg to do with redefinition of borders after WWII?
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #2993
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That's really weird!
How did that happen (german road passing through belgian territory)? Somethinbg to do with redefinition of borders after WWII?
WWI
Eupen-Malmedy goes to Belgium because of the Versailles Treaty.
The Vennbahn is an other oddity because of this.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 11:07 AM   #2994
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That's really weird!
How did that happen (german road passing through belgian territory)? Somethinbg to do with redefinition of borders after WWII?
Exactly.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:55 AM   #2995
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Hi,
just out of curiosity: can you guys tell me which is the farthermost town or village in Germany without connection to the Autobahns? Should be somewhere in eastern Germany I guess...
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Old November 29th, 2010, 09:05 AM   #2996
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Helgoland.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 09:25 AM   #2997
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Okay you got me :-) I mean on the mainland.
I need it for a statistics...
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Old November 29th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #2998
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Sassnitz is some 80 kilometers from the A20. However, B96 expressway is closer.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 10:06 AM   #2999
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Yes, but Sassnitz is also on an island, however its connected on a bridge to the mainland thats right. So I`ll keep that in mind.
Anyway I think I finally found my answer on Wikipedia: its the beautiful town of Salzwedel which is the farthest from an Autobahn.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 10:11 AM   #3000
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There are advanced plans to construct A39 between Wolfsburg and Lüneburg. Although it will likely not directly serve Salzwedel, it would bring it closer to the autobahn. There are also plans for the construction of A14 between Magdeburg and Schwerin, passing east of Salzwedel.
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