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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:53 AM   #3121
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Sign making is a special business. Usually only a few companies do that. In the Netherlands there may be 4 or 5 sign-making businesses (regarding directional signage). Second, many people severely underestimate how large these signs are. An overhead sign for 3 lanes + exit quickly amounts to some 60 - 70 m² of metal. Metal isn't free either. Then you have to mount it across the roadway. The gantries are probably most expensive if there are no special electronics (such as motorway traffic management) required.
Sign making business is more like a daylight robbery than anything else.

They had cost explosions of 150 % when they installed new electrical overhead signs on the A 10 in Austria.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 03:44 PM   #3122
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Good news, the record of decision for a 3.2 km extension of A100 in eastern Berlin has been taken. Construction should commence next year.

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Planfeststellung für A-100-Ausbau beschlossen

Die Planung für den umstrittenen Weiterbau der Berliner Autobahn A 100 ist einen rechtlichen Schritt weitergekommen. Die sogenannte Planfeststellung für die 3,2 Kilometer lange Strecke vom Autobahndreieck Neukölln zur Ausfahrt Treptower Park sei nun beschlossen, teilte die Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung am Donnerstag mit. Damit sei das planungsrechtliche Verfahren abgeschlossen.

In der zweiten Januarhälfte sollen der Beschluss und der Plan für zwei Wochen öffentlich ausgelegt werden. Danach kann innerhalb eines Monats beim Bundesverwaltungsgericht in Leipzig dagegen geklagt werden.

Das Autobahnstück sollte ursprünglich ab 2012 gebaut werden. Anfang Oktober beschlossen die Regierungsparteien SPD und Linke, die Entscheidung über den tatsächlichen Baubeginn auf die Zeit nach der Abgeordnetenhauswahl im September 2011 zu verschieben. Der heftige Konflikt in der Koalition über das Thema sollte so vorerst vertagt werden.

Die Planung, also Detailarbeiten wie Vermessungen, Sicherung der Grundstücke und Ingenieurstätigkeiten, geht unterdessen weiter. Ob das Autobahnstück jemals gebaut wird, ist derzeit völlig offen. Das Thema wird in Koalitionsverhandlungen nach der Wahl im September eine wichtige Rolle spielen.

http://www.rbb-online.de/nachrichten...tstellung.html
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Old January 6th, 2011, 03:53 PM   #3123
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The German roads are extremely icy at the moment, which caused a large accident on the A8 Autobahn near Augsburg. A trucks seems to have plummeted into a bus. At least 30 injured.

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Old January 7th, 2011, 05:24 AM   #3124
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Good news, the record of decision for a 3.2 km extension of A100 in eastern Berlin has been taken. Construction should commence next year.
Map?

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Old January 7th, 2011, 09:23 AM   #3125
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Old January 7th, 2011, 06:13 PM   #3126
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Well... that's it:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52...om=13&layers=M
including a 385m 8-lane tunnel between Dreieck Neukölln and Sonnenallee:
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Old January 7th, 2011, 10:16 PM   #3127
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Thanx! That's kind of what I thought that this project was.

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Old January 8th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #3128
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Cost ? My estaimate is about few hundred millions of EUR
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Old January 9th, 2011, 09:10 PM   #3129
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Old January 10th, 2011, 09:32 PM   #3130
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Old January 11th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #3131
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Good news, the record of decision for a 3.2 km extension of A100 in eastern Berlin has been taken. Construction should commence next year.

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EXCELLENT!!!

A better map. ("16 BA" is the new extension)
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Old January 12th, 2011, 04:25 AM   #3132
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Thanx.

Is the plan to eventually complete an A100 'ring' in Berlin?

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Old January 12th, 2011, 01:29 PM   #3133
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Prime Minister of Lower Saxony (Niedersachsen) David McAllister wants to widen the A2 between Hannover and Braunschweig to 8 lanes. This section carries excess truck traffic up to 30,000 trucks per day. However, it is not easy considering some bridges would need to be reconstructed.

Article in German:
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Old January 14th, 2011, 01:31 AM   #3134
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Is the plan to eventually complete an A100 'ring' in Berlin?

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Hello Mike,

it is not planned to complete an A100 ring in Berlin. According to the city government there is no need for such an inner ring.
The long-term plan is to extend the A100 to the street "Frankfurter Allee". You can see it on the map I have posted above in my last post (16 BA + 17 BA).
BA means "Bauabschnitt" = construction stage.
The article which ChrisZwolle posted is about the 16 BA which will connect the A100 to the street "Am Treptower Park" (see map). The construction of 17 BA to "Frankfurter Allee" should start after the completition of 16 BA (in 6-8 years).

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A map of already completed (blue) and planned (red) road infrastructure in Berlin
(note: A100 extension: 16BA+17BA)
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Old January 15th, 2011, 09:41 PM   #3135
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Old January 29th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #3136
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Yesterday, I drove at the roadworks on the A59 near Duisburg. It must have been the lowest limit I've ever seen on an german autobahn: 40km/h.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 05:33 AM   #3137
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Plenty of 40 km/h at very tight offramps, which technically are still Autobahn parts. Couple of them on the A5, for example.

Lowest speed limit on a B road i know of is 20 km/h btw. Permanent. B3 within Heidelberg.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #3138
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20 kph? Does that lay on a minefield?
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Old January 31st, 2011, 04:58 PM   #3139
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20 kph? Does that lay on a minefield?
It's an intentional measure to dissuade people from using the B3 in that section.

There's a parallel 2+2 road branching off right at that 20 km/h part. The city has been wanting the B3 to be officially rerouted via that 2+2 road for the past 40 years, but for certain reasons (such as a US Army HQ...) that's not possible. The 20 km/h section is a recent rebuild to move more traffic onto the 2+2 road, which before the rebuild already swallowed 80% of the north-south traffic on that route.

Of course technically parts of the city government really want the B3 to be merged with the A5 along Heidelberg (a 6-km 100 km/h section with constant traffic jams), but the federal government doesn't really see it that way
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Old February 4th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #3140
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B9 near Kleve:

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