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Old February 6th, 2011, 06:17 AM   #3141
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No, it's a continuous road - see here. B is for Bundesstraße, federal road; an Autobahn is signed A and also called BAB for Bundesautobahn, federal highway.

B roads can be merged into A highways or other B roads where parallel and appropriate, this is the case with the B9 in some places (merged e.g. with A44, A57, A555, A565, A60 sections).
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Old February 6th, 2011, 12:22 PM   #3142
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B9 near Kleve:

Was the idea of that to extend it to bypass Nütterden and meet up again with the B9 at Donsbrüggen?
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Old February 6th, 2011, 02:08 PM   #3143
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Hows the Bad Oyenhausen bypass going?
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Old February 6th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #3144
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Was the idea of that to extend it to bypass Nütterden and meet up again with the B9 at Donsbrüggen?
The socalled "B9 (neu)" was a bypass for Wyler and Kranenburg (-Nütterden) started in 1968. It was supposed to be extended from the "Tennis Bat" to Kellen, bypassing Donsbrüggen (on the north side) and Rindern (on the south side).
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Old February 12th, 2011, 02:33 PM   #3145
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It's me again, this from the eastern states.

2-digit Autobahn


3-digit Autobahns






Gelbe Autobahn:



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Old February 12th, 2011, 09:21 PM   #3146
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Very interesting clips. One thing that I noted a while back from examining high-resolution aerial images of the Berlin area was that the A102, A103 and A104 all have very visible and fascinating 'ghost' ends. Does anyone know that the ultimate ambitions of these three routes were?

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Old February 14th, 2011, 02:02 AM   #3147
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It's me again, this from the eastern states.

2-digit Autobahn
At around 1:55 there's some horizontal lane markings, just before a bridge. What are they there for?
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Old February 14th, 2011, 07:40 AM   #3148
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Very interesting clips. One thing that I noted a while back from examining high-resolution aerial images of the Berlin area was that the A102, A103 and A104 all have very visible and fascinating 'ghost' ends. Does anyone know that the ultimate ambitions of these three routes were?

Mike
Where are these? I can only find the 103 on Google Maps.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, I tried Wikipedia. But my German's rusty (rustier than I thought, in fact) and my knowledge of Berlin geography's worse. So all I can get out of it is that they were planned to extend farther than they do now. But you probably guessed that. (Also, it would appear that the 102 and 104 no longer officially exist - they've been changed to other numbers.)
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Old February 14th, 2011, 01:18 PM   #3149
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This short stretch is the former A102:
http://goo.gl/maps/gWkP

And this map shows the original plan:
http://suedwestbezirk.de/osttangentesued100.jpg

It would be impossible to build it today, since the A100 has been covered in an artificial tunnel, including some of the space needed by the 100/102 interchange.

And this is the former A104
http://goo.gl/maps/jUhF

I have to admit that this topic has awakened my curiosity about Berlin's ghost autobahnen.
Every year I go there to perform lots of trainspotting and old and abandoned railways research, since the city's rail history is seriously HUGE.

Now I'm beginning to be interested in the history of its roads, discovering some fascinating aspects: the westerns were building a city road-wise, with some solutions absolutely uncommon, even with a bit of "town of the future" aspect.

I mean, things like a building covering a freeway (http://goo.gl/maps/sDV0) (http://goo.gl/maps/bdMW) or this weird building (http://goo.gl/maps/MZNz) have some serious fashion.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #3150
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Does anyone know that the ultimate ambitions of these three routes were?
Something like this:


A102 was planned to A10 in Kreuz Rangsdorf (today B96)
In addition, yet A106 and A107 was planned, but that's another story.

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Where are these? I can only find the 103 on Google Maps.
Good. Map is in this vid with the marked route.

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(Also, it would appear that the 102 and 104 no longer officially exist - they've been changed to other numbers.)
It agrees. I pointed out that they are old autobahns numbers. Today these autobahns are no numbers. Simply, they are feeders of A100.

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At around 1:55 there's some horizontal lane markings, just before a bridge. What are they there for?
Lines to distance measurement. A tool for police to issue a potential fine. One of examples.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 06:05 PM   #3151
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Interesting indeed.

So it looks like the corridor planned for the A102 extensions has been mostly already covered by the A113 (south) and the planned northeastward extensions of the A100. Also, The B96 between the old 'Wall' and the A10 (south) has been heavily upgraded into what looks like a Gelbe autobahn in several sections (although the part of B96 in the city is still a narrow two-lane arterial street), while surface street upgrades (ie, the downtown tunnel bypass section of the B96) covered the plans for the other two, so those early road planners really don't have all that much to apologize for.



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Old February 18th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #3152
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Hows the Bad Oyenhausen bypass going?
It will delay up to one year due to financial and political reasons...
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Old March 1st, 2011, 12:19 PM   #3153
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Dreieck Braunschweig-Südwest in January 2011:
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Old March 1st, 2011, 07:44 PM   #3154
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What is dreieck, what is kreuz and what is knoten?
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Old March 1st, 2011, 08:10 PM   #3155
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Dreieck = Triangle = a motorway interchange with 3 branches in Germany
Kreuz = Cross = a motorway interchange with 4 or more branches in Germany or Switzerland
Knoten = a motorway interchange of any shape in Austria
Verzweigung = branching = a motorway interchange with (usually) 3 branches in Switzerland
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Old March 1st, 2011, 08:16 PM   #3156
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Lines to distance measurement. A tool for police to issue a potential fine.
They occasionally use those on Virginia interstates as well. Sometimes accompanied by signs saying something like "Speed enforced by aircraft" (with white text on black background - very unusual)
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They occasionally use those on Virginia interstates as well. Sometimes accompanied by signs saying something like "Speed enforced by aircraft" (with white text on black background - very unusual)
I've seen those signs, but I've never actually seen aircraft enforcing speed. How do they do that - come swooping down to a landing in your path? Shoot at your tires?
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Old March 1st, 2011, 10:19 PM   #3158
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I've seen those signs, but I've never actually seen aircraft enforcing speed. How do they do that - come swooping down to a landing in your path? Shoot at your tires?
(pretty old pic, but it should answer your question)
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Old March 2nd, 2011, 05:59 AM   #3159
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The first time I saw that sign I had a vision of a Bell police helicopter with a blue light underneath...

In fact I think the one with the Apache may be the very same sign I saw. It's perfectly plauible... Interstate 81 between Salem and Christiansburg... with a mountain on the left.
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isn't that a little... excessive?
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