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Old May 1st, 2011, 11:54 AM   #3241
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Old May 1st, 2011, 11:54 AM   #3242
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Old May 1st, 2011, 11:54 AM   #3243
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Old May 1st, 2011, 03:04 PM   #3244
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Nice pictures,i never drived any road´s in Germany that are more north then Hannover
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Old May 1st, 2011, 03:21 PM   #3245
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Nice pictures Chris. I noticed some parts of the autobahn that look much like a 2x2 road with crashbariers in the middle...
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Old May 1st, 2011, 06:34 PM   #3246
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How are traffic numbers on the northern part of the A1 expected to change once the Rodbyhavn-Puttgarden crossing is completed?

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Old May 1st, 2011, 06:44 PM   #3247
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I suspect there will be a slight shift from traffic that currently uses the detour via Kolding and the Great Belt Bridge. But I don't think that will be more than maybe 1 000 - 3 000 vehicles per day.
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Old May 1st, 2011, 08:05 PM   #3248
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It looks like some sections of highway have very old asphalt (faded light colour with faded lines), but it still doesn't break or loosen even over the seasons. No potholes.

How do they maintain that? In the US, Hong Kong and also Britain, all of the asphalt/tar-surfaced roads will start breaking and becoming very coarse and potholed before they can even fade that much in colour.
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Old May 1st, 2011, 10:09 PM   #3249
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Latest video: A7 through Hamburg, the second-largest city of Germany.

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Old May 1st, 2011, 10:48 PM   #3250
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Cement barriers look better
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Old May 1st, 2011, 11:56 PM   #3251
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It looks like some sections of highway have very old asphalt (faded light colour with faded lines), but it still doesn't break or loosen even over the seasons. No potholes.

How do they maintain that? In the US, Hong Kong and also Britain, all of the asphalt/tar-surfaced roads will start breaking and becoming very coarse and potholed before they can even fade that much in colour.
It's like that in Sweden too. Most roads here only stay black for the first month and then start to fade to a light-gray shade.
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 12:03 AM   #3252
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How do they maintain that? In the US, Hong Kong and also Britain, all of the asphalt/tar-surfaced roads will start breaking and becoming very coarse and potholed before they can even fade that much in colour.
It also depends on the traffic. Most of the US or UK highways are very busy with lots of cars and heavy trucks every day. There are 15-year old roads in the US that are still smooth and in good condition without potholes
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 02:22 AM   #3253
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nice video Chris, with signs built-in I don't like that concrete pavement, or whatever it is. Very bad quality, I don't know why Germany doesn't renew its motorways.
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 03:17 PM   #3254
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I don't like that concrete pavement, or whatever it is. Very bad quality, I don't know why Germany doesn't renew its motorways.
Concrete surface doesn't mean it's an old motorway. Even new ones are being built.
You can see both surfaces (asphalt and concrete) on new projects. I don't know how they choose the surface, seems random to me.

In the last 10 years I have seen in my area the use of concrete (A94 widening between Neufahrn and Munich Airport), asphalt, (A9 widening between Munich and Neufahrn) and again concrete (A8 widening between Munich and Augburg).
Either surface is excellent. Asphalt is a bit smoother and less noisy but not much. I'd prefer a good concrete motorway over a mediocre asphalt one.

I get the impression concrete is used more often now than in the 80's and 90s'.
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 03:48 PM   #3255
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Latest video: A7 through Hamburg, the second-largest city of Germany.

The left lane seems so narrow.
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 11:26 PM   #3256
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Concrete surface doesn't mean it's an old motorway. Even new ones are being built.

and again concrete (A8 widening between Munich and Augburg).
I drove that part a weak ago, it is very good quality indeed. I didn't say concrete is bad in general, but that one on the video. and a major part of A8 needs a lot of improvement.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:10 AM   #3257
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The left lane seems so narrow.
Optical illusion, it's the same width as the other lanes. Visually compare to width of vehicles on it.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:21 AM   #3258
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I suspect there will be a slight shift from traffic that currently uses the detour via Kolding and the Great Belt Bridge. But I don't think that will be more than maybe 1 000 - 3 000 vehicles per day.
A lot less according to the Danish Vejdirektoratet. We are only talking about 500-600 vehicles per day, that will shift from Great Belt/Kolding to Fehmarn. That figure was published in conjunction with the planning and EIA of the E20 widening Middelfart-Odense http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/publik...pdf/rap318.pdf
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There will be some new traffic on the Fehmarn, but in total we are not talking of more than approx. 9.000 vehicles a day in 2020, according to the official forecasts.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #3259
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Yeah, the Great Belt Bridge not only replaced the existing local ferry, but also other ferries (Sjællands Odde - Grenå for instance). Thus the increase in traffic was much greater there (9 000 on the ferry and 30 000 vehicles today on the bridge).

The Fehmarn Belt Tunnel will only replace the existing ferry, and maybe siphon off some traffic from the Gedser - Rostock ferry but that won't be much. So the new tunnel will mostly cater existing traffic plus a little bit of autonomous growth. There are no large cities nearby either.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 03:08 PM   #3260
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Yeah, the Great Belt Bridge not only replaced the existing local ferry, but also other ferries (Sjællands Odde - Grenå for instance). Thus the increase in traffic was much greater there (9 000 on the ferry and 30 000 vehicles today on the bridge).

The Fehmarn Belt Tunnel will only replace the existing ferry, and maybe siphon off some traffic from the Gedser - Rostock ferry but that won't be much. So the new tunnel will mostly cater existing traffic plus a little bit of autonomous growth. There are no large cities nearby either.
On The Great Belt Fixed link it was primarily autonomous growth, as you call it. The Hundested-Grenaa Ferry was closed some years prior to opening of the Great belt Fixed Link, and the remaining east-west ferry routes only lost approx. 1000 vehicles a day in the period from 1997-2007 (Great Belt opened in 1998). The same was experienced at the Øresund Fixed Link between Copenhagen and Malmø, where a ferry carrying 850 vehicles a day in 1999 was replaced with af fixed link in 2000, which now carries 20000 vehicles per day (The Ferry between Hensingør and Helsingborg has the same traffic today as before the Øresund fixed Link).

Autonomous growth can be very large under the right conditions. I don't think the same will happen accross Fehmarn Belt as the distance between Copenhagen and Hamburg is to large, and in between you don't find any significant towns/cities.
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