daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old July 4th, 2011, 12:44 AM   #3361
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,506
Likes (Received): 2112

My opinion as a non-wealthy, i.e. non-owner-of-a-sports-car Italian driver who's driven 25 thousand km on German Autobahnen in a little more than six months.

I personally think that such high speeds are absolutely reckless, always. You cannot just rely on your car and on the characteristics of the road. You have to care about other people. Sometimes for kilometers and kilometers, on a two-lane motorway, I cannot get rid of the guy doing 100 in front of me because a column of smart-asses doing 200 is taking the passing lane only for themselves.
I remember one time doing 160 on the A95 towards Garmisch, my little car can't go faster, I was overtaking on the passing lane when three BMW, in a column, arrived from behind at relativistic speed (I think they actually went back in time). They hit the brake like mad, seriously risking crashing into me and into one another, just to show that they are wealthy and masculine to drive at high speed.

If this isn't being reckless, I don't know what is.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old July 4th, 2011, 01:34 AM   #3362
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

IMO all 2 lanes old-crappy autobahns should be limited 120 kmh, only 3 lanes+ without a limit.
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 4th, 2011, 12:19 PM   #3363
Fuzzy Llama
Puszysty samiec lamy.
 
Fuzzy Llama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Skierniewice/Warszawa
Posts: 741
Likes (Received): 8

And in my experience, that's exactly what Germans are doing. In almost all substandard Autobahns I've travelled (and I agree that it's not much, but I wan to think that they are representative) there was either permanent or variable speed limit, the only exception being the Inntal Autobahn with its pre-war standard and (if I remember correctly) no speed limit at all.

On the other hand, sign "120 km/h" with added "next 100 km" plate looks SO depressing, especially when travelling off-peak...
Fuzzy Llama no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 4th, 2011, 01:18 PM   #3364
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,506
Likes (Received): 2112

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy Llama View Post
And in my experience, that's exactly what Germans are doing. In almost all substandard Autobahns I've travelled (and I agree that it's not much, but I wan to think that they are representative) there was either permanent or variable speed limit, the only exception being the Inntal Autobahn with its pre-war standard and (if I remember correctly) no speed limit at all.
A95 is two-lane and has no speed limits for 90% of its legnth (ironically, 80 km/h limit - ridiculous - is on part of its 3-lane stretch); also A3 between Passau and Deggendorf is two-lane and no limits, and so is A92 between Deggendorf and Freising.

And all of these are only in Bayern.

And believe me, Germans run like madmen everywhere. Time of them sticking to the limit are past.

Last edited by g.spinoza; July 4th, 2011 at 05:45 PM.
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 12:11 AM   #3365
Attus
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Rheinbach
Posts: 2,768
Likes (Received): 1039

A6 is very strange: no limit in 2×2 sections but speed limits of 120 in 2×3 sections in a very coherent way.

Actually the most of German cars drive about 120-150 km/h.
Attus no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 12:14 AM   #3366
Road_UK
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Mayrhofen AT, Sneek NL, Bromley UK
Posts: 5,855
Likes (Received): 1599

Quote:
Originally Posted by Attus View Post
A6 is very strange: no limit in 2×2 sections but speed limits of 120 in 2×3 sections in a very coherent way.

Actually the most of German cars drive about 120-150 km/h.
Same on the A93 between Rosenheim and Kufstein. No limits going Kufstein bound, and 130 km/h limit going the other way. May have something to do with the poor quality of the road surface.

Edit: I haven't read what you wrote properly, but never mind... speed limits are still in force going Rosenheim bound..
Road_UK no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 03:10 AM   #3367
flierfy
Registered User
 
flierfy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,886
Likes (Received): 296

Quote:
Originally Posted by hofburg View Post
IMO all 2 lanes old-crappy autobahns should be limited 120 kmh, only 3 lanes+ without a limit.
There is no need for inflexible rules like this. Speed limit are applied where it is necessary. That depends on various design parameter, such as gradients, lane and shoulder width, junction design and junction spacing, as well as traffic volume.

The reason why wider motorway are more likely to be restricted is the same reason why these motorways are so wide in the first place: great traffic volumes.
__________________
Rippachtal.de
flierfy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 09:09 AM   #3368
bogdymol
bogdymod
 
bogdymol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11,184

When I drove on A8 (AT border -> A93) I noticed that there was no speed limit, but the traffic was very high (sometimes I coudn't even get into the second line to pass a slower driver because of the traffic). Also, the autobahn is sub-standard with no hard shoulder, quite high slopes and many curves with small radius + many entrance+exits with a very short merging lanes.

Just look at this entrance on the autobahn... no merging lane if you want to go to Munchen.
__________________
Lived, Been, Drove in: A B BG BiH CH CZ D DK E F FIN FL GBZ GR H HR I IRL L M MNE P PL RO RSM S SK SLO SRB UK V
+ Australia, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Arab Emirates & United States of America
my clinched highways
My wife has just started a travel blog. Check it out here: makeitcount.blog

Last edited by bogdymol; July 5th, 2011 at 10:47 AM.
bogdymol no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 10:03 AM   #3369
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,506
Likes (Received): 2112

Your link redirects me to the general map of Europe...
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #3370
bogdymol
bogdymod
 
bogdymol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11,184

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
Your link redirects me to the general map of Europe...
Fixed it
__________________
Lived, Been, Drove in: A B BG BiH CH CZ D DK E F FIN FL GBZ GR H HR I IRL L M MNE P PL RO RSM S SK SLO SRB UK V
+ Australia, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Arab Emirates & United States of America
my clinched highways
My wife has just started a travel blog. Check it out here: makeitcount.blog
bogdymol no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 01:33 PM   #3371
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

^I noticed that too. safety is definitely a problem on 2x2 autobahns.

anyway, here is my set of A9 Berlin - München.

few photos in Berlin, for a start.

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 004 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 005 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 007 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 009 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 010 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 011 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 012 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 014 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 016 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 019 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 020 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 021 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 024 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 025 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 026 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 027 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 029 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 032 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 034 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 035 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 036 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 037 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 038 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 040 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

...
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 5th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #3373
hofburg
middle lane hogger
 
hofburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Nova Gorica
Posts: 3,270
Likes (Received): 464

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 067 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 068 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 069 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 071 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 076 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 077 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 078 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 081 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 082 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 083 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 086 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 097 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 101 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 103 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 107 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 109 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 115 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 116 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 118 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 119 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 122 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 123 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 127 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 128 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 132 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

A99

image hosted on flickr

A9 Berlin 139 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr
hofburg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2011, 03:58 AM   #3374
Pansori
planquadrat
 
Pansori's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: London - Vilnius
Posts: 9,973
Likes (Received): 6911

Great report, hofburg. Thanks.
There are few things more romantic than flying on a German autobahn in the evening just after the sunset.
Pansori no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2011, 07:54 AM   #3375
ABRob
Registered User
 
ABRob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: road-gap between Amsterdam and Berlin
Posts: 350
Likes (Received): 1

Quote:
Originally Posted by bogdymol View Post
When I drove on A8 (AT border -> A93) I noticed that there was no speed limit, but the traffic was very high (sometimes I coudn't even get into the second line to pass a slower driver because of the traffic). Also, the autobahn is sub-standard with no hard shoulder, quite high slopes and many curves with small radius + many entrance+exits with a very short merging lanes.

Just look at this entrance on the autobahn... no merging lane if you want to go to Munchen.
If Munich gets the Olympic games today, A8 will be widened to 2x3 all the way to Salzburg untill 2018.
And in this case, the Garmisch region will get 4 new road tunnels untill 2018.
If not - only if there's money...
ABRob no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2011, 06:31 PM   #3376
bogdymol
bogdymod
 
bogdymol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11,184

Quote:
Originally Posted by ABRob View Post
If Munich gets the Olympic games today, A8 will be widened to 2x3 all the way to Salzburg untill 2018.
And in this case, the Garmisch region will get 4 new road tunnels untill 2018.
If not - only if there's money...
Quote:
Pyeongchang, South Korea, selected to host 2018 Olympic Winter Games
cnn.com

__________________
Lived, Been, Drove in: A B BG BiH CH CZ D DK E F FIN FL GBZ GR H HR I IRL L M MNE P PL RO RSM S SK SLO SRB UK V
+ Australia, Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Arab Emirates & United States of America
my clinched highways
My wife has just started a travel blog. Check it out here: makeitcount.blog
bogdymol no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 6th, 2011, 06:45 PM   #3377
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,506
Likes (Received): 2112

I was downtown Munich this afternoon, big screens and Olympia-related amenities around (including a bobsled rail with guys reharsing starts and a biatlon-rifle station). I guess the news wasn't given yet because everyone was cheerful and happy...
g.spinoza no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 11th, 2011, 02:39 AM   #3378
Deadeye Reloaded
Cold Ass Honkey
 
Deadeye Reloaded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Göttingen/Lüdenscheid/Rybnik
Posts: 2,330
Likes (Received): 8965

Does anybody of you highway experts know if the A10 Berliner Ring is currently the longest ring road in ze world (Length: 196km)???

Comparison between several ring roads:



NOTE: HOUSTON´S PLANNED RING ROAD (BLACK)

SOURCE
__________________
I may not be perfect, but Jesus thinks I´m to die for.
I can't stand auto correct. It's my worst enema!
I often quote myself. I find it adds spice to the conversation.
What Is Love?
Deadeye Reloaded no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 11th, 2011, 02:54 AM   #3379
Pansori
planquadrat
 
Pansori's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: London - Vilnius
Posts: 9,973
Likes (Received): 6911


The Guangzhou ring-road shown in the diagram is only the small inner (2nd smallest) ring road. There are other ring roads which seem not entirely complete but function as ring-roads nonetheless. E.g. G15+G4W Expressway which now looks like about 3/4 of a huge outer ring-road which, if completed, should be around 200km. I just wonder if they are building (or planning?) to build it?
Pansori no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 11th, 2011, 06:02 AM   #3380
Penn's Woods
Deadpan Snarker
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 6,245
Likes (Received): 781

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadeye Reloaded View Post
[B]Does anybody of you highway experts know if the A10 Berliner Ring is currently the longest ring road in ze world (Length: 196km)???
Baltimore's missing, and Indianapolis, although they're not all that big.... What are they using for Paris - the A86? Why not the Francilienne? (Yes, it's got a gap in it, but so does the A86 still, if I'm not mistaken.)
__________________
I didn't vote for him....

DRIVEN IN BEEN IN:
AL CA CT DE DC FL GA ID IL IN KY ME MD MA MI MN MO MT NH NJ NY NC ND OH OR PA RI SC SD TN UT VT VA WA WV WI WY ---
AB BC MB NB NS ON PE QC SK ---
A B CH D F GB I L NL
Penn's Woods no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
autobahn, baustelle, congestion, germany, highways, marode brücken, motorways, stau

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium