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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:14 AM   #3381
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Also here is the Shanghai ring (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=...a=1,2,3,4&z=10) which seems to be around 210km long.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:00 PM   #3382
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Got back from the trip to Berlin, apparently the only picture my girlfriend was able to take, and that was not regarding wind power plants and hop fields is this one:




A93 northbound at the junction with A6.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 12:07 AM   #3383
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Baltimore's missing, and Indianapolis, although they're not all that big.... What are they using for Paris - the A86? Why not the Francilienne? (Yes, it's got a gap in it, but so does the A86 still, if I'm not mistaken.)
Yep the A86. It's now completed btw.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #3384
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Yep the A86. It's now completed btw.
You are either way off-topic or completely wrong as there is just a small section the A 86 that has ever been built.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 01:34 AM   #3385
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You are either way off-topic or completely wrong as there is just a small section the A 86 that has ever been built.
The French A86. We were talking about that graphic about ring roads.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #3386
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Can some German (or someone well informed) explain something to me?

Coming back from Berlin, last Sunday, near Bayreuth there was pretty thick rain and low clouds, forming some kind of on-and-off fog. I switched on my forward and back fog lights, and suddenly many cars coming from behind began flashing their headlamps to me like madmen. When I switched them off, they stopped.

Did I do something really so wrong? I must say I felt uncomfortable driving in such environmental conditions with my rear fog light off.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 10:51 AM   #3387
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The Dutch rule is that you should only switch the fog lights on if there is less than 50 meters visibility. I suppose it's something similar in Germany. This is similar to being able to see only 4 markings in front of you.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 11:55 AM   #3388
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This is something that still amazes me about German people: their active willingness in minding someone else's business, especially about things with small-to-zero importance.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #3389
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Ordnung muss sein Though the Dutch are equally bad, maybe even worse. We overmanage our country.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #3390
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The Dutch rule is that you should only switch the fog lights on if there is less than 50 meters visibility. ...
Thats exactly the same in Germany, and its very good.
Also if you have your back fog lights switched on, u must not drive faster than 50 km/h.

The back fog lights are totally annoying when used in other conditions because they dazzle very much. Keep in mind that those bulbs have 21W or more.

I went through a very rainy Slovenia last year and masses of italians had those lights on, which caused some really dangerous situations due to the extreme dazzling of those lights. They are only supposed to be switched on in deep fog and nothing else.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 12:20 PM   #3391
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The most annoying thing is that people forget to turn them off. Belgians also switch on their fog lights even when it just rains.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 12:55 PM   #3392
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Thats exactly the same in Germany, and its very good.
Also if you have your back fog lights switched on, u must not drive faster than 50 km/h.

The back fog lights are totally annoying when used in other conditions because they dazzle very much. Keep in mind that those bulbs have 21W or more.

I went through a very rainy Slovenia last year and masses of italians had those lights on, which caused some really dangerous situations due to the extreme dazzling of those lights. They are only supposed to be switched on in deep fog and nothing else.
A couple of Germans also had rear fog lights on, yes they're brighter than regular lights but I cannot possibly see why people say they're dangerous or annoying. It's just a little light.

If this is the rule I will follow it, of course, but I don't understand it.

I turned them on because I realize I had troubles seeing cars in front of me, and I thought that people behind me could have the same problem. Apparently I was wrong.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 01:41 PM   #3393
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Also if you have your back fog lights switched on, u must not drive faster than 50 km/h.
And technically that serves as a speed limit legally, meaning >120 km/h with fog lights on = 3 months license loss, 4 points + 600 Euro. Plus another 15-35 Euro for the fog light itself if other people are endangered.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 01:55 PM   #3394
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^I noticed that too. safety is definitely a problem on 2x2 autobahns.

anyway, here is my set of A9 Berlin - München.

few photos in Berlin, for a start.

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A9 Berlin 004 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 007 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 009 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 010 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 011 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 012 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 014 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 016 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 019 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 020 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 021 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 024 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 025 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 029 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 032 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 034 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 035 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 036 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 037 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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A9 Berlin 040 par d.hofburg, sur Flickr

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Sorry man, but the A9 never ever ended in berlin, most of your berlin-pictures just show some berlin roads, like Kaiserdamm for example. the A9 ends in the north up to 30 kilometers of the Berlin city limits and flows south of the Brandenburg capital Potsdam in the Berlin ring, the A 10...
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Old July 12th, 2011, 02:12 PM   #3395
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A couple of Germans also had rear fog lights on, yes they're brighter than regular lights but I cannot possibly see why people say they're dangerous or annoying. It's just a little light.
When it is also raining and everything is wet and darker that light blinds people driving behind you. You should only turn on back fog light if you can't see the back lights of the cars in front of you. That only happened to me a couple times in my whole life, but I see a lot of cars (mostly IT and RO) turn their back fog lights on between rain.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #3396
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Just butting in from across the Atlantic to remark that I don't have fog lights and I don't know if I've ever seen rear fog lights....
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I drove from Munchen on with front fog lights on because my left front light stopped working. They didnt flash me.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #3398
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Sorry man, but the A9 never ever ended in berlin, most of your berlin-pictures just show some berlin roads, like Kaiserdamm for example. the A9 ends in the north up to 30 kilometers of the Berlin city limits and flows south of the Brandenburg capital Potsdam in the Berlin ring, the A 10...
I know, there is A115 on photos as well. Forgot to indicate.
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Old July 12th, 2011, 03:42 PM   #3399
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I drove from Munchen on with front fog lights on because my left front light stopped working. They didnt flash me.
They can see your front lights only if they're in front of you. Question is: did they not flash, or did they flash but you could not see them?
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They could flash the rear fog lights at him....

(Or people going the other direction could flash.)
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