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Old August 26th, 2011, 11:47 PM   #3521
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The A67 is older. It was originally built this way to directly connect Rhine-Main and Mannheim in the 30s (and was back then numbered A5). This route bypasses several larger towns on the Bergstraße though, so they built the current A5 route in the 60s and switched the number over there.
When they constructed the current A5 in the 1960s, they assigned the number A81 for Mönchhofdreieck - Heidelberg - Walldorf and retained A10 for Frankfurt - Mannheim. The renumbering followed in 1975.

The reasons? Difficult. I think that it was done to avoid an A5-A6 duplex. Then routing A5 via Heidelberg is the logical approach. A67 took whatever was left: Viernheim - Darmstadt - Mönchhofdreieck. A more fascinating question is why they built two parallel motorways (and train tracks) via Mannheim and Heidelberg. In some places, the distance between the two is no more than five kilometers...

I understand that this probably has to do with the military reserve around Viernheim. The result of this was that the route between Frankfurt and Karlsruhe could not run smack between Mannheim and Heidelberg. So they originally chose for one western route, which was followed by an eastern one later on. Absent the military basis, I would have expected one big motorway running somewhere midway between A5 and A6/A67. It might have been Europe's longest 2x5...
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Old August 27th, 2011, 08:23 PM   #3522
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A17 Dresden - Bad Gottleuba (CZ)

This set follows the entire A17 southbound from Dreieck Dresden-West to the Czech border near Bad Gottleuba. It transverses the Erzgebirge, or Ore Mountains.

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Old August 27th, 2011, 08:23 PM   #3523
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Old August 27th, 2011, 08:23 PM   #3524
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Old August 27th, 2011, 10:29 PM   #3526
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interesting section. was it opened after 2008?
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It opened in 4 phases between 2001 and 2006

Downside is that the Czech side is delayed year after year. 2013 sounds like the earliest possible completion, in some areas no construction has commenced at all.
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Old August 27th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #3528
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but there's no former border crossing station?
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Old August 27th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #3529
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but there's no former border crossing station?
No, just a small parking on german side with booths, where they sell vignettes/toll units.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 01:08 AM   #3530
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I like the streetlights in Hamburg. There are still many of them from 1950s and 1960s. They look very classical German, but also some of them are similar to what we had in other towns in other European countries before, but not now. Sometimes it looks like they want to keep them in Hamburg and not replace them with more modern models like they do in other towns.

Even at the motorways in Hamburg there are a lot of very nostalgic models. Old catenary lightning at the A7 similar to the old ones in the Netherlands and the UK. And the junctions have the models of light like you can see at the picture down here.

And a lot of strets in Hamburg still have this lights.

For me this is nostalgic, and beautiful.

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Old August 28th, 2011, 02:57 AM   #3531
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That does look beautiful!

I wonder what about LED street lights in Germany? Knowing how green-conscious Germany is I would expect LED lighting there. I know some cities in Europe have been testing it and I saw some LEDs in Chinese cities (seemingly being tested as well).
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Old August 28th, 2011, 12:33 PM   #3532
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I've never liked those streetlights. The ones that they usually have in French cities look far better imo. Up until a couple of years ago they even had those kinds of highway lamps on Berlin's Unter den Linden boulevard:

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Old August 28th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #3533
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i am not decided whether I think those lamps destroy an urban streetscape or if they are just a cool relict from the post war oil-form-follows-function-hype decades. But you*re right, hamburg is really crowded with them, same for cities in northrine westfalia, even in residential areas
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Old August 28th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #3534
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Timon, would it not be better to just dump all your photos here? I would certainly enjoy scrolling through all that autobahn bliss. ....
Speaking only for myself, when people "dump" 50 or 100 photos on the same page, my computer often won't display them all properly....
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Old August 28th, 2011, 04:24 PM   #3535
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My computer can just about handle a lot of photo's but I avoid threads where people start qouting them.
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Old August 28th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #3536
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Speaking only for myself, when people "dump" 50 or 100 photos on the same page, my computer often won't display them all properly....
Time to think of a new computer perhaps?
My poor laptop is of age now but it has no problems with that.
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I've had this laptop for a little over a year. It may be my Internet connection, actually.

But I believe there are actually policies on this site about enormous picture threads. Perhaps it's time for some people to think about respecting them, rather than telling other people to spend lots of money or rearrange their setup. (My Internet connection is a data card, which is not of the latest "generation," but I can take it anywhere and it has no download limits. The no-limits option, my carrier tells me, is something they're no longer offering. So upgrading to the faster one has a major downside.)

You can't just upload half a gig of crap (and sometimes it is indeed crap) onto a single page of what after all is a shared site without caring about other users of the site. That's why we have Flickr and Picasa.
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I've had this laptop for a little over a year. It may be my Internet connection, actually.

But I believe there are actually policies on this site about enormous picture threads. Perhaps it's time for some people to think about respecting them, rather than telling other people to spend lots of money or rearrange their setup. (My Internet connection is a data card, which is not of the latest "generation," but I can take it anywhere and it has no download limits. The no-limits option, my carrier tells me, is something they're no longer offering. So upgrading to the faster one has a major downside.)

You can't just upload half a gig of crap (and sometimes it is indeed crap) onto a single page of what after all is a shared site without caring about other users of the site. That's why we have Flickr and Picasa.
So you have a rubbish internet connection and therefore you want others to cut their photos AND you talk about respect. Sorry dude but you're just wrong. This forum is ALL ABOUT photos. Many of them. I can't imagine what internet connection that must be which cannot handle a hundred or so photos per page.
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I understand that this probably has to do with the military reserve around Viernheim. The result of this was that the route between Frankfurt and Karlsruhe could not run smack between Mannheim and Heidelberg.
The A67 crosses right through the middle of Lampertheim Training Area (a 20 km² military zone). Almost the entire forest north of Viernheim and southeast of Lampertheim is part of Lampertheim Training Area. Ammunition depots and forest combat training areas are to the east of A67, chemical weapons depot and firing ranges for anything up to tanks are to its west.
(the area has been in the process of being handed back to German Federal property over the past couple years)

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So they originally chose for one western route, which was followed by an eastern one later on.
The HaFraBa (A67) is older than the military area. Planning for it along that route was first presented in 1926; the military sites in the area were planned out in the mid 30s, military usage of the forests north of Viernheim started in the 40s.

To a certain extent the A5 as built is a bypass / tangential route. The 1960s transport planning for Mannheim/Ludwigshafen essentially designed a number of concentric rings, with the A6 and new-built A61 forming the outer motorway ring. Crossing these rings there were a number of tangential routes leading outwards to the surrounding smaller agglomerations in a star shape, from North in a circle.
There is a partial outermost ring that connects a lot of these agglomerations with each other. On the eastern edge with its high population density the A5 fills that role (to the North it's the B47, to the South the B39 and slightly farther out the B35). Within the concept it's only logical to also let all through traffic bypass the region through the outermost ring where possible.

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I wonder what about LED street lights in Germany? Knowing how green-conscious Germany is I would expect LED lighting there.
Not very widespread. Düsseldorf in 2007 was the first in Germany to introduce a full street only lit by LEDs. 300 Meters. Currently about 1% of all street lights in Düsseldorf run with LEDs. Most municipalities in Germany do not have the money to introduce this kind of fancy stuff.

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You can't just upload half a gig of crap (and sometimes it is indeed crap) onto a single page of what after all is a shared site without caring about other users of the site. That's why we have Flickr and Picasa.
If I post 40 pictures, it's less than 2 MB.
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