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Old October 7th, 2011, 12:42 PM   #3621
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Where is the best way to go fast around Munich versus Linz , Austria. Which part would you recomend ???
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Old October 7th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #3622
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Germany to introduce vignettes?

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by Ulrika Lomas, Tax-News.com, Brussels
05 October 2011

Alluding to the disastrous state of parts of the country’s road network,
German Transport Minister Peter Ramsauer of the Christian Social Union (CSU) recently
announced that the introduction of a car toll on the highways in Germany is simply
‘unavoidable’.

Underlining that all the facts point to a car toll, Ramsauer explained that
a toll would serve to ensure that foreign motorists also contribute to the costs
associated with financing Germany’s road network.

Determined to win support for the plans during the forthcoming CSU party conference,
Transport Minister Ramsauer then aims to moot the proposal within the coalition
government itself.

While not ruling out a decision before 2013, the minister nevertheless underlined
the need for the coalition leadership to first come to a consensus in principle
on the idea, before various models currently under discussion are presented.
Although Ramsauer refrained from providing further details, he indicated that
Austria’s system of an annual vignette (a pre-paid road tax) has been examined as a possible
option.

Although German Chancellor Angela Merkel has up to now categorically rejected
the idea of introducing a car toll in Germany, she has recently indicated her
willingness to discuss the issue and to place the idea on the political agenda
if a coalition partner expresses a wish to do so – a clear indication that support
for the idea is gaining critical momentum.

Faced with an alarming lack of funding for Germany’s road network, German
Transport Minister Peter Ramsauer (CSU) called last month for an ‘open
debate’ to be held on the idea of introducing a car toll on the country’s
motorways.

Alluding at the time to a “dramatic funding dilemma” as regards
the financing of planned road projects, Ramsauer explained
that in the next five to seven years around a quarter of Germany’s 39,000
bridges would be in need of renovation.

Ramsauer underlined the importance of using additional revenues to ensure
that the country’s road network is both quieter and safer, noting that
by 2015, a total of EUR10bn (USD13bn) in investment in transport infrastructure in Germany
will be needed.

Back in July, leader of the Christian Social Union Horst Seehofer defiantly
called for clarity on the issue of a proposed car toll – and by the end
of the year.

Indeed, during its last sitting before the summer recess, the CSU executive
united in their aim to introduce a car toll in Germany, emphasizing that most
countries in Europe currently operate a toll charge system.

Suggesting a toll in the order of EUR100 a year, Seehofer maintained at the
time that any revenues derived from the levy should be used to invest
in the country’s road network. The minister insisted that a cost neutral
solution should be sought for local drivers, to ensure that the introduction
of a toll charge does not result in additional costs for German motorists. In
order to achieve this goal, the CSU has, in the past, suggested the idea of lowering
the existing car tax in return.

The FDP and car clubs in Germany remain opposed to the idea.

http://www.clearingandsettlement.com...says-minister/
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Old October 7th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #3623
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Let's wait and see. This is not the first time a general autobahn toll is in discussion. So far all suggestions in that direction were rejected in the end.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 05:02 PM   #3624
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The ADAC points out the tax revenue from motorists already exceeds expenditures on the road network by almost 3 times.

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Es sei “ungerecht, hier in Deutschland eine Pkw-Maut einzuführen”, so Saalmann im Deutschlandfunk. Die Autofahrer seien durch Kfz-, Mineralöl- und Ökosteuer schon zu genug Abgaben gezwungen. Dadurch nähme der Staat jährlich über 50 Milliarden Euro ein, von denen jedoch nur etwa 17 Milliarden für den Straßenbau verwendet würden. Saalmann sieht somit keine Notwendigkeit einer Pkw-Maut, “es fehlt bloß der Wille an der richtigen Verteilung” der Gelder.
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Old October 7th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #3625
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Where is the best way to go fast around Munich versus Linz , Austria. Which part would you recomend ???
It depends on the other point of your route :-)
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Old October 7th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #3626
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Via Salzburg is the shortest alternative. If the German A8 shoulc be clogged, B12 (via Braunau) or A92 are good options (with roughly the same travel time).
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Old October 8th, 2011, 04:07 PM   #3627
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A8 -at least in evening time- was not that much of a problem - getting onto it from A96 via Mittlerer Ring however needs some patience ...



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Old October 8th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #3628
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The A8 is regularly clogged due to holiday travel (mostly on weekends).
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Old October 9th, 2011, 01:42 AM   #3629
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Which is the best choice to get from Austria (Wien), to Ingolstadt?
Without the complete motorway routes AU-A1 + DE-A8-A99-A9 and AU-A8 + DE-A3-A93, I also found this http://g.co/maps/vcpr5 and http://g.co/maps/8cghn

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Old October 9th, 2011, 09:36 AM   #3630
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Which is the best choice to get from Austria (Wien), to Ingolstadt?
Without the complete motorway routes AU-A1 + DE-A8-A99-A9 and AU-A8 + DE-A3-A93, I also found this http://g.co/maps/vcpr5 and http://g.co/maps/8cghn

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How about route #2 with a small change? On g.maps it looks faster.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #3631
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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:08 PM   #3632
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According to the calculation carried out in Poland proposed rates cover only about 37% of costs in the case of motorways and expressways. The rates are fixed licensees under the assumption that they will cover 100% of the company and ensure profit.
Where can I find information on what percentage of costs covered rate in Germany ?
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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #3633
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A video of the A71 through the Thüringer Wald, or Thuringia Forest. The video includes the longest road tunnel in Germany, the Rennsteigtunnel near Suhl.

Nice video. 4 tunnels in a row. Why was it so dark in the third tunnel (Rennsteig)?
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Old October 10th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #3634
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All I can say is: God bless the A38. Since it's been completed it saves a hell of a lot of travel time coming from Calais heading towards Dresden.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 11:17 AM   #3635
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It looks like that people don't really follow pretty ridiculous 80 km/h speed limit.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 11:19 AM   #3636
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They have to, there are a number of speed cameras on this section. And the 80 km/h limit is really too slow, I don't understand why it can't be 100 km/h, these tunnels are usually evaluated as one of the best and safest in Europe.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 03:21 PM   #3637
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And the 80 km/h limit is really too slow, I don't understand why it can't be 100 km/h, these tunnels are usually evaluated as one of the best and safest in Europe.
Because of the low speed
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Old October 11th, 2011, 04:55 PM   #3638
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Sure.

They should put 30 km/h speed limit, they would be even more safe. Common sense? Thing of the past, don't even think of using it.

@Chris: it looks like, that cars move much faster than trucks, so I believe they don't obey speed limit much. Of course maybe those trucks drive 50-60 km/h?
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Well, the video was sped up about 3.5 times. The speed difference was only small in real-time, though some were driving faster. I drove about 90 km/h.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 07:18 PM   #3640
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How about route #2 with a small change? On g.maps it looks faster.
I'm pretty sure that route 1 is better. There are regularly problems (accidents, etc.) between Straubing and Regensburg one A3 whereas there isn't any traffic (and speed limit) at all between Deggendorf and Landshut.
Another option would be to cross from A92 to A9 via Moosburg-Allershausen.
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