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Old March 21st, 2012, 10:04 PM   #3881
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I saw a slope of 8%, so quite high.
Had Munich won the Olympics candidate, the A8 would have been high priority upgrade.
Beaten probably only by completion of A95 till Partenkirchen.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 09:53 AM   #3882
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Beaten probably only by completion of A95 till Partenkirchen.
And probably extension to link with with Austrian A12 /dream mode:off
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 02:00 PM   #3883
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Yeah, dream mode off. The Alpine convention forbids new transit motorways, and it would heavily damage the whole region between Garmisch and Innsbruck.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 02:05 PM   #3884
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4-5% slope within how long?
Doesn't matter, that's a relative figure (4-5m vertical drop within 100m distance)
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 02:17 PM   #3885
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Yeah, dream mode off. The Alpine convention forbids new transit motorways, and it would heavily damage the whole region between Garmisch and Innsbruck.
The day they abolish this convention I'll be celebrating.
But I reckon that no motorway is necessary between Garmish and Innsbruck. Traffic is quite heavy but, past Partenkirchen (which should really be avoided with a bypass), the road mostly avoids towns and it is good till the brake-killing descent from Seefeld to Zirl.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 03:05 PM   #3886
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A connection Fussen-A12 is more urgent IMO. The Fernpaß is hideous for the traffic it carries.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 03:12 PM   #3887
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I drove the Fernpaß only once but there wasn't much traffic. But it would be probably easier to build than a motorway A12-Garmisch. By the way, such Fernpaß motorway was part of an absurd project, motorway Brescia-Kempten, that gained some momentum 10 years ago. It was really unbelievable, with half a dozen of 20+ km tunnels and 10 more 10+ km tunnels.

EDIT: I correct myself. The Brescia-Kempten was supposed to pass near Oberstdorf, instead.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 03:21 PM   #3888
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The Fernpass is particularly bad during winter weekends when people from Germany and the Netherlands are driving to winter sport resorts in Tirol. The delays can easily be in the hours, especially more recently when more people are avoiding a vacation in Switzerland due to the high exchange rates with the Swiss Franc. This year, delays of up to 3 or 4 hours were reported across the Fernpass. It is also a clear missing link in the European motorway network.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 03:58 PM   #3889
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They could solve both problems together.

(i) Füssen - Imst highway link with a long-ish tunnel under the Fernpaß
(ii) side link Reutte - Oberau. It is a valley link easily doable.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 04:02 PM   #3890
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If we're already there, what do you know about this road?
I thought about doing it, I read it's scenic, and also the castles are wonderful.

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Old March 22nd, 2012, 04:05 PM   #3891
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If we're already there, what do you know about this road?
I thought about doing it, I read it's scenic, and also the castles are wonderful.

http://g.co/maps/ad9gf
I've driven there. It is a nice road, though a highway would be better to make visitation easier.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 04:15 PM   #3892
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If we're already there, what do you know about this road?
I thought about doing it, I read it's scenic, and also the castles are wonderful.

http://g.co/maps/ad9gf
From Oberau to Castle Linderhof it's a nice road but nothing particularly impressive.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 04:22 PM   #3893
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I read here, this is why I asked: http://www.jeder-meter-zaehlt.de/str...2-st-2060.html

What road would you recommend in this part of Europe?
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 04:27 PM   #3894
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I read here, this is why I asked: http://www.jeder-meter-zaehlt.de/str...2-st-2060.html

What road would you recommend in this part of Europe?
I've never driven that part.
I liked very much B13 from Bad Tölz to Vorderriß - Eng.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 08:55 PM   #3895
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I've never driven that part.
I liked very much B13 from Bad Tölz to Vorderriß - Eng.
I tried to drive from Wallgau to Vorderriß but... the road was closed
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 09:01 PM   #3896
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They close the road in winter, as far as I know. Also Hinterriß-Eng gets closed in winter. Pity, because Karwendel mountains are stunning.
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They close the road in winter, as far as I know. Also Hinterriß-Eng gets closed in winter. Pity, because Karwendel mountains are stunning.
How do the access Eng then? Because Eng can only be accessed via Germany.
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Old March 22nd, 2012, 09:41 PM   #3898
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How do the access Eng then? Because Eng can only be accessed via Germany.
I think only residents can access. Just after Hinterriß there is a toll booth: in summer you can pay and access the road, but I went there last march and it was closed.

EDIT: if I understand correctly the German Wikipedia page:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eng_%28Gemeinde_Vomp%29
they say that Eng is uninhabited in winter due to avalanche hazard, so the road is simply closed.

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Old March 25th, 2012, 02:51 AM   #3899
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A few pics from road B16 from Ingolstadt to Neuburg an der Donau:

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