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Old March 26th, 2012, 03:49 PM   #3901
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I drove the Fernpaß only once but there wasn't much traffic. But it would be probably easier to build than a motorway A12-Garmisch. By the way, such Fernpaß motorway was part of an absurd project, motorway Brescia-Kempten, that gained some momentum 10 years ago. It was really unbelievable, with half a dozen of 20+ km tunnels and 10 more 10+ km tunnels.
You've got more informations on that?
There were other insane projects, too. One was a Munich-Venice motorway (the Italian A27) through the Zillertal and via Bruneck-Cortina d'Ampezzo.

At the Fernpass traffic actually isn't that much of a problem, except on some saturdays when tourists change beds in winter resorts and at peak travel days in summer. But the main bottleneck are (similar to the Tauernautobahn) the two tunnels (Grenztunnel and, to lesser extent, Lermoos) due to the Blockabfertigung they put in place for security reasons, not so much the road itself. Last year, the last village (Heiterwang) got its bypass, so it's almost a Schnellstraße from the A7 up to the pass. There are plans for a tunnel to improve the connection to the Inntalautobahn (Tschirganttunnel) to keep traffic from Fernpass to Innsbruck away from the Mieminger Plateau, Imst and Tarrenz. It's also important to know that lorry traffic on that route is only allowed for companies in the counties the road runs through or delivering/picking up within those, so its not a primary transit route for those.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 03:57 PM   #3902
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You've got more informations on that?
Only in Italian, apparently. One discussion from Italian thread here at Skyscrapercity:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=263026

And here:
http://www.gazzettadisondrio.it/890-...occarda__.html

You should be able to "decently" translate this using google translate.

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There were other insane projects, too. One was a Munich-Venice motorway (the Italian A27) through the Zillertal and via Bruneck-Cortina d'Ampezzo.
As a matter of fact, plans for this have not been completely shelved:
http://corrierealpi.gelocal.it/crona...onaco-1.906352
http://www.ilnordest.info/index.php/...aldastico.html
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Old March 26th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #3903
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Non è problema, parlo un po' d'italiano. Grazie.

I thought the massive opposition especially in South Tyrol and Belluno stopped the A27 project? Certainly, the Austrians would be able to block it completely and would be determined to do so.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #3904
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Non è problema, parlo un po' d'italiano. Grazie.

I thought the massive opposition especially in South Tyrol and Belluno stopped the A27 project?
Not really, in 1969 the project of Vittorio Veneto - Ponte nelle Alpi section was approved and more than 70% of the local population favored it. Apparently comunists blocked the infrastructure back then.

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That's for sure, unfortunately.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #3905
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I thought that especially in South Tyrol there was massive opposition in the late 90ies, too. :
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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:00 PM   #3906
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I've made a short movie of B10 between A7 and A8. It's about the same time, maybe a minute longer than via A7/A8 interchange (Kreuz Ulm/Elchingen). But it' shorter in kilometres.

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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:11 PM   #3907
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very nice video
What camera and what video editing software do you use?
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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:23 PM   #3908
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Nice. German roads are a blessing compared to the downgraded Dutch roads. Just about any intersection in that video could have been a roundabout in the Netherlands. I also noted the turbo roundabout (or was it a roundabout with a bypass?). You don't see them that much in Germany.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #3909
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What really impressed me during my time in Germany was not Autobahnen, which are somewhat overrated; it was Bundesstraßen, their quality is excellent.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 02:21 PM   #3910
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But the traffic volume is often to high, trucks do only 70kmh and not enough 2+1-sections. So i prefer the french rue nationale.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 04:41 PM   #3911
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Thanks!

@cinxxx I recorded it with a Flip Ulra HD and edited in Adobe Premiere.

@Chris First I tought that it was a turbo but than realised that it was just a bypassed roundabout, but that's a good solution as well. Thinking about it, I saw only 7 roundabouts in Germany, and I drove about 100 km on bundesstraßen. A hate this roundaboutism... It's a spreading fashion in Hungary as well... They put roundabouts where they can...
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Old March 27th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #3912
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A hate this roundaboutism... It's a spreading fashion in Hungary as well... They put roundabouts where they can...
Also in Italy... but usually traffic is better after roundabouts are built, expecially when there was a traffic light before. Apart on very important roads outside urban areas where an interchange is preferred, roundabouts are usually the best solution.
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Old March 29th, 2012, 12:13 AM   #3913
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A480 between Gießener Nordkreuz and Reiskirchener Dreieck this morning. Apparently seems that turbo blown up causing the fire
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Old March 29th, 2012, 11:31 AM   #3914
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A61 appears ready for the inauguration next week, together with the Dutch A74. Finally the two motorways become linked here.

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Will the connection from Germany be only northbound?
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Old March 29th, 2012, 03:45 PM   #3916
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A61 appears ready for the inauguration next week, together with the Dutch A74. Finally the two motorways become linked here.
At Venlo? Do you mean A74 or A73?
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The A74 is a short 2 kilometer motorway that links German A61 with Dutch A73.

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The A74 is a short 2 kilometer motorway that links German A61 with Dutch A74.
I'm guessing that you may have meant to write:
The A74 is a short 2 kilometer motorway that links German A61 with Dutch A73.
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Old March 29th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #3919
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Will the connection from Germany be only northbound?
Yes. (if you're talking about the new Tiglia interchange near Venlo with the A73)
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Old March 29th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #3920
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Yes. (if you're talking about the new Tiglia interchange near Venlo with the A73)
Yes. I wonder why they chose not to allow connection southbound.
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