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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:31 PM   #4121
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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #4122
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Munich it is signposted as location, not as a to follow route.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:35 PM   #4123
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Munich it is signposted as location, not as a to follow route.
I wasn't talking about Munich, I was talking about the rings.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #4124
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So, now it's your turn. We have already established that my van is under 3.5T and I actually mingle with tourist traffic. Germany has a fully retarded view on speed limits. Unless you enjoy dropping down from 200 to 80 km/h, and speed limits in Germany does apply on most motorways. And they are downgrading more and more motorways. Recently the A8, just across the border from here. Rosenheim bound has been 130 for a long time, now a large stretch it`s 80, due to bad road surface. Kufstein bound used to be unlimited, but is now 130 all the way. A61 Köln-Mannheim is 130 or lower. And A3 all the way from Oberhausen to Passau it's stopping and going, stopping and going, and speedlimit changes are too many to count. And of course, most tunnels on motorways in Germany you have to drop down to 80. Talking about retarded!

In France on the other hand, I get to do a nice steady 135/140, day and night and hardly ever having to switch off my cruise control. I don't mind paying for these tolls, I don't pay them, my boss does.
Viva la France!!!
I don't mind Germany, but after a day of agressive *******s, road works, grumpy customs and police officers and slow driving (!) , entering France at Saarbrücken is like a breath of fresh air, and for me it's a major good-mood upgrade. I will be stopping at the first services before Metz, and get some good food inside me. I may stop the night, and drink some wine too! Sleeping in France in my van is a pleasure, I won't get woken up by engine running trucks and loud speaking Polish truck drivers!
Different requirements I guess, I haven't noticed having to slow down that extensively at all, using BAB30 and BAB2, I drive a car weighting only 1260kg but with a 2.5V6 engine, so basically 200+ is no problem... I don't sleep during travel, I do Rotterdam>Warsaw in 1 night.

Aside from that I was in Bottrop last year, and the BAB3 (north of Oberhausen mind) was great to drive at, very little traffic even during daytime, unlimited section, I did 150+ (pedal to the metal, that time I was driving An Aygo of a classmate , thing wouldn't go faster) pretty much all the way from the Dutch border to Oberhausen, only slowed down once to 80 km/h for some minor road works that were only for half a km... Okay BAB2 near oberhausen was busy yeah, but I still managed to drive along with traffic on the left lane at 130-140 kmh.


I haven't been south of Oberhausen in Germany yet, only been in the northwest, and the Hengelo>Swiecko route.

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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #4125
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Different requirements yes. But is also depends where you are. And A30 is pretty good, but A2 after Braunschweig usually has a 130 km limit (just like France). I also find it uncomfortably busy, with the high amount of freight, especially east of Hannover.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:50 PM   #4126
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I wasn't talking about Munich, I was talking about the rings.
Me too
But Giessen has the ring signposted as a to follow motorway route, and on the Munich approaches as a destination.
Munich and Giessen would be similar if they signpost RING on the A99.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 04:47 PM   #4127
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Different requirements yes. But is also depends where you are. And A30 is pretty good, but A2 after Braunschweig usually has a 130 km limit (just like France). I also find it uncomfortably busy, with the high amount of freight, especially east of Hannover.
Hence the night travelling, no annoying traffic .

True about the limits, but the fines in Germany are so low ( 10€ for 10km/h to fast I've been caught once, and iirc it was only 30 or so for 20 to fast... Not to mention you can still throw them in the bin as they can't collect my fine here, though this will change soon ) you can always do vmax+20...

The fines are less than the tolls in France. That's assuming you get caught... I get 1 fine per 2 years here in Holland and there are whole forests of speed camera's here compared to abroad.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #4128
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True about the limits, but the fines in Germany are so low
That's right. I've been caught outside Siegen driving 67 km/h on a 50 Km/h limit road. When the officer told me "it's 25€" I replied "only??". In italy, up 10 Km/h over the limit means minimun 159€ fine...17km/h like me is around 230€ + 3 points on the license.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #4129
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That's right. I've been caught outside Siegen driving 67 km/h on a 50 Km/h limit road. When the officer told me "it's 25€" I replied "only??". In italy, up 10 Km/h over the limit means minimun 159€ fine...17km/h like me is around 230€ + 3 points on the license.
And don't you think those numbers are exaggerated?
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Old June 19th, 2012, 06:25 PM   #4130
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True about the limits, but the fines in Germany are so low
The fines are very low.
Inside Towns
to 10 km/h 15,- EUR
11-15 km/h 25,- EUR
16-20 km/h 35,- EUR
21-25 km/h 80,- EUR, 1 Point
26-30 km/h 100,- EUR, 3 Points
31-40 km/h 160,- EUR, 3 Points, 1 month banned from driving
41-50 km/h 200,- EUR, 4 Points, 1 month banned from driving
51-60 km/h 280,- EUR, 4 Points, 2 month banned from driving
61-70 km/h 480,- EUR, 4 Points, 3 month banned from driving
over 70 km/h 680,- EUR, 4 Points, 3 month banned from driving

Outside Towns and Motorways

to 10 km/h 10,- EUR
11-15 km/h 20,- EUR
16-20 km/h 30,- EUR
21-25 km/h 70,- EUR, 1 Point
26-30 km/h 80,- EUR, 3 Points
31-40 km/h 120,- EUR, 3 Points
41-50 km/h 160,- EUR, 3 Points, 1 month banned from driving
51-60 km/h 240,- EUR, 4 Points, 1 month banned from driving
61-70 km/h 440,- EUR, 4 Points, 2 month banned from driving
over 70 km/h 600,- EUR, 4 Points, 3 month banned from driving

Drive over a Red Traffic Light 200,- EUR; 4 Points; 1 month banned from driving
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Is there a place to find the regulations? Text can be in German too. I'm only 6 months in Germany, and maybe I should read the road code, also regarding those points
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Old June 19th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #4132
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And don't you think those numbers are exaggerated?
Fines must be high, otherwise they would be no deterrent at all.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #4133
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Fines must be high, otherwise they would be no deterrent at all.
Fines should be high only for 20+ kmh speeds.
160 euros for exceeding the speed limit under 10 kmh is not right.
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And don't you think those numbers are exaggerated?
That's Italy of course they are exaggerated!! Especially when the avarage national salary is 1000€!! Here you can get a ticket from 205€ to 410€ only if you leave a vehicle parked with engine on just to get air conditioned working...
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The cheapest fine in Italy is 39€ (usually concerning forbidden park). But if you park with two wheels on the side walk for example, also u get double fine for forbidden park (I got it many years ago in Verona and in that period was 72€)
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Is there a place to find the regulations? Text can be in German too. I'm only 6 months in Germany, and maybe I should read the road code, also regarding those points
check here
http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/tr...iolations.html
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:01 PM   #4136
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Fines should be high only for 20+ kmh speeds.
160 euros for exceeding the speed limit under 10 kmh is not right.
A violation is a violation.
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Thanks.
How about the points? At how many do you get driving ban?

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A violation is a violation.
Yes, you are right.
But this should not mean huge fines. Revoking the driving license for fine recurrences should be more effective.
People should be more attentive on the cars and environment, and not watching the speedometer all the time, not everyone has cruise control.

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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #4138
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Fines should be proportional to the salary income (like in Switzerland). Otherwise just poor people have to pay for real and those driving fast and expansive cars or huge SUVs can do what they want cause 100 or 200 € don't change their lives for nothing
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #4139
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A violation is a violation.
Old grey haired fossils deciding speed limits is stupid.

160 for 10 km/h to fast is an amount of money for such a minor offence that barely poses any risk that I must conclude the person who thought this should be the fines is mentally ill. And should seek mental help asap. imho.
I thought the fines here were retarded already, but 160 for 10km/h to fast ? That's ''go to a mental insitute, cuckoo'' high.

The Swiss are retarded in terms of their speed enforcement too imho.

Sounds like people in those countries are stuck on their moral high horse ''omg child killer'' for anyone who goes a tiny little bit to fast. Otherwise they'd never accept such state-terrorism.

All of course imo. But I just can't bring any empathy to the anti speed brigade and other people who spend their lives on a moral high horse or still live in the 70's.


Fines should be relative to danger, driving 10 km/h over the limit in the middle of the night causes danger to the people sleeping in their beds ?
High fines should be given for right of way mistakes, or REAL speed offences ( eg. 70-80km/h @ a 30km/h school zone), not 10 km/h to fast.

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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:29 PM   #4140
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Fines should be proportional to the salary income (like in Switzerland). Otherwise just poor people have to pay for real and those driving fast and expansive cars or huge SUVs can do what they want cause 100 or 200 € don't change their lives for nothing
I don't agree, the danger of offenses is not less if you're poor.
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