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Old October 13th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #401
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can somebody explain that toll system? as far as i know it's the same as this one in Austria for LKW, which is older than German so i donßt think what is so new
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Old October 13th, 2007, 10:29 PM   #402
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The German LKW-Maut works as the following;

Each truck require an onboard communicator, that communicates with portals over the motorway, which are placed on the road on a regular base.
They track which road you take, and you pay for each kilometer a truck drive. This is not very cheap; 13,5 cents per kilometer.

There is also the possibility to pay at terminals in gas stations, for those who haven't got an OBU (On Board Unit).

The police can wireless check if you pay, without having to stop a truck.

The revenues are about 3 billion euro's, but the operating costs of the system is 660 million euro's, about 22% of the revenue.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #403
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Sure, the 660 Mio are just operating costs, i.e. without depreciation and amortization for the quite expensive development?

Take also into account that stopping and starting costs time and labor without paying for it.
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Old October 13th, 2007, 11:29 PM   #404
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In these situations, I overtake on the left lane because it's much more fun (changing the two lanes) than just proceeding straight...
Well, I do that, but the motorway is usually packed on the left and empty on the right side, so that's just easier.
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Not to forget our newest donation to the mobile world called Toll Collect. Against stopping at Damned Toll stations!
We've had a similar system on the 407 ETR in Toronto for a long time. If you have a transponder (i.e. OBU) it works the same way, but if you don't, a picture of your license plate is taken, and you get mailed the bill. A recently constructed highway in Israel uses the same technology, as do some other highways around the world, as far as I know.
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Old October 14th, 2007, 12:14 AM   #406
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I'm not sure about privacy issues regarding the toll collect system. The government can easily expand the system to cars, and track everyone's routes.
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I'm not sure about privacy issues regarding the toll collect system. The government can easily expand the system to cars, and track everyone's routes.
Are you referring to my post, or the original discussion? The toll on the 407 ETR applies to everyone, including cars, although there are different rates. But all highways here are toll-free, except for the 407.
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Old October 14th, 2007, 04:59 AM   #408
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The German LKW-Maut works as the following;

Each truck require an onboard communicator, that communicates with portals over the motorway, which are placed on the road on a regular base.
They track which road you take, and you pay for each kilometer a truck drive. This is not very cheap; 13,5 cents per kilometer.

There is also the possibility to pay at terminals in gas stations, for those who haven't got an OBU (On Board Unit).

The police can wireless check if you pay, without having to stop a truck.

The revenues are about 3 billion euro's, but the operating costs of the system is 660 million euro's, about 22% of the revenue.
well, that was my point. Austria had that system before Germany afaik. so i donßt see a reason to call it the newest german donation to the mobile world.
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Old October 14th, 2007, 08:45 PM   #409
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The German and Austrian system are different.
The Austrian works with Microwaves while the German system is much more complicated and uses GPS.
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a so!
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Old October 15th, 2007, 01:49 PM   #411
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You can compare Austrian toll system, which is microwave-based, to most electronic toll systems in Europe (in your case ENP in Croatia, just more sophisticated). I think Czechs have almost identical system for trucks.
German GPS&GSM-based system has privacy issues, but it tends to be future universal European toll system. Probably more advanced and less expensive to maintain (yes, both is possible), but it will still take quite long time to be satisfactory implemented.
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New bridge opened near Stralsund (Mecklenburg-Vorpommern). The longest bridge of Germany!

It connects Stralsund with the island Rügen.

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127m high pylon.
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Wow, I had no idea there was a bridge to Rügen under construction! Now bird flu can spread easier.
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Its a very nice bridge but no Autobahn. Just Bundesstrasse with 3 lanes. The middle lane can be used in either direction depending on the traffic.

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I wonder how they build it so cheap.

A 4km tunnel would cost here like 2 - 3 billion euro's.
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Old October 21st, 2007, 03:11 PM   #416
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Looks nice and adequately sized. Quite a few pillars though - the point I don´t like with that bridge.
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why is the new bridge built while there exists a bridge allready? what is the destiny of the old one?
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That old object is the "Rügendamm", an outdated and overcrowded road, which causes a lot of traffic jams during the holiday season.
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a so. i see that itßs quite rough, especially this first part (where new bridge has a pylon)
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Old October 21st, 2007, 04:19 PM   #420
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a so. i see that itßs quite rough, especially this first part (where new bridge has a pylon)
I recommend not pressing the "apostrophe" at all.
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