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Old August 14th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #4301
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Am I correct that the speed limits on the A2 between Dortmund and Berlin have been removed ? 152 km's extra of unlimited Autobahn . Finally a victory for motorists rather than old annoyed dinosaurs... Thanks to the the FDP . Only dynamic speed limits potentially to conditions, no more crappy 120 km/h in the middle of the night .
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Old August 14th, 2012, 05:05 PM   #4302
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80 through the tunnel at Bochum and 130 after Braunschweig for 50 odd km.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #4303
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80 through the tunnel at Bochum and 130 after Braunschweig for 50 odd km.
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Jamaika kann nicht funktionieren. Während die Grünen die Autofahrer am liebsten gängeln zeigt die FDP, dass es auch einmal anders herum funktionieren kann. Der FDP Verkehrsminister Niedersachsens Jörg Bode hat nun alle Geschwindigkeits-Begrenzungen auf der vielbefahrenen A2 (Berlin, Hannover, Dortmund) gekippt. Dabei wurden alle Tempo-Limit-Schilder auf der 155 Kilometer langen Strecke abmontiert. Tempolimits werden, sofern es die Verkehrslage erfordert, von elektronischen Schilderbrücken angezeigt. Ein Vorschlag, den Mobil in Deutschland e.V. seit langem fordert und meint TOLL gemacht Herr Bode! Von uns gibt es hierfür die Goldmedaille für diese fast olympischen Verdienste am Autofahrer!
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Jamaica will not work. While the Greens prefer spoon-fed the driver the FDP shows that it can work also once the other way around. All speed limits on the busy A2 (Berlin, Hannover, Dortmund) has flipped the FDP Minister of Lower Saxony Joerg bode. Thus, all speed limit signs on the 155 km long route were removed. Speed limits are displayed where it requires the traffic situation, by electronic Schilderbrücken. A proposal for a long time called the mobile Germany e.v. and thinks Mr bode made TOLL! Of us there are the gold medal for this almost Olympic services to the driver for this! (Translated by Bing
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It's just a victory for car vendors and hospital crewmembers
Dream on...

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Old August 14th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #4304
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Am I correct that the speed limits on the A2 between Dortmund and Berlin have been removed ? 152 km's extra of unlimited Autobahn . Finally a victory for motorists rather than old annoyed dinosaurs... Thanks to the the FDP . Only dynamic speed limits potentially to conditions, no more crappy 120 km/h in the middle of the night .
Strange considering the amount of EE drivers on A2, most of whom don't have a clue how to use a motorway (especially Poles), but on the other hand some of those speed limits, especially near Berlin, were really annoying when the traffic was low. VMS is a way better option.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 08:03 PM   #4305
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This is true. The amount of accidents caused by Poles forced the Germans to display warning signs in Polish as well.
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Old August 14th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #4306
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Dream on...
edited post, better not start flames.

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Old August 14th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #4307
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I want to know what you said now... (And probably agree)
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Old August 15th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #4308
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I want to know what you said now... (And probably agree)
Best do that via pm.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #4309
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Germany has consistently lower accident controlled-access highway fatalities per billion passenger-km than Austria, Italy, France and Belgium.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #4310
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Source? Because it's possibly fully contradictory to actual facts. Accident rates in Germany on motorways are rather high. On the Landstraßen a lot lower, butthis is where the Germans seem to have a hard time looking for their pedals and gear sticks. They get ridiculously slow.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #4311
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Despite the prevailing high speeds, the accident, injury and death rates on the Autobahn are remarkably low. The Autobahn carries about a third of all Germany's traffic, but injury accidents on the Autobahn account for only 6% of such accidents nationwide and less than 12% of all traffic fatalities were the result of Autobahn crashes (2009). In fact, the annual fatality rate (2.7 per billion km in 2009) is consistently lower than that of most other superhighway systems, including the US Interstates (4.5 in 2009). Furthermore, a 2005 study by the German government found that Autobahn sections without speed limits had the same accident rate as those with speed limits.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 04:55 PM   #4312
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In the Netherlands only 5% of the traffic fatalities occur on motorways while they carry 50% of all kilometers driven.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #4313
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And what are the main causes of Autobahn accidents in Germany? Also, since everybody here seems to rely more on vague statistics then actual practice, do we have any details on impacts, deaths and heavy injuries, in comparison to other countries, and also the role that high excessive speeds makes its contribution? Because in my job, I spend most time in accident related congestions in Germany. UK and Holland I spend my time in congestion due to sheer volume of traffic, but Italy and Germany is where in my view where the accidents are, and I see at least 1 or 2 a day when spending a driving day in Germany. A lot more then un other countries, and in France or Austria I hardly see any at all.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #4314
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ADAC statistics, I think they are enough impartial even for the most sceptics
http://www.adac.de/_mmm/pdf/rv_tempo...0807_30472.pdf

Comparision with other states
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acciden...oute_en_Europe

Statistic by Land
http://www.statistik-portal.de/Stati..._jahrtab40.asp

Cause of accident can be many, and more or less the same like in the rest of the Europe. At first place, distracted drivers, driving under drugs or alcohol effects, reckless driving, tailgating, weather conditions, etc... speeding is a variable reason of accident connected to other causes. A drunk driver is dangerous at 30Km/h like at 130 Km/h. 120 km/h with a Ferrari and 120 Km/h with a 1982 Ford Fiesta is not the same. A 18 yo freshman guy driving in autobahn at 100 Km/h could be more dangerous than a Schumacher driving 200 Km/h. If it's clear what i mean.... however these are things said and re-said in this thread
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Old August 15th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #4315
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And I disagree on your comments about Schumacher. You may be good at driving at 240 kph but you only need a dozy Dutchman with a caravan swerving in front of you to **** your life up real good. And it won't even be your fault, apart from doing ridiculous speeds. Also I don't like these statistics as they always depends on circumstances and regions, and speed related accidents plays a high role in Germany. I see that everyday.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 07:43 PM   #4316
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I wouldn't be so sure about Schumacher.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...port-dash.html

In past, experienced sailors used to say they saw sea monsters to sink entire ships when they tried to cross the ocean ... so I'm not astonished you don't believe statistics, even if they are what you asked....
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Old August 15th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #4317
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And I disagree on your comments about Schumacher. You may be good at driving at 240 kph but you only need a dozy Dutchman with a caravan swerving in front of you to **** your life up real good.
The risk to me posed by the "dozy Dutchmen with caravans" is a linear function of my time on the road. Therefore I can cut my risk in half by driving twice as fast.
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Old August 15th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #4318
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Some speeds are just too high. I just love "Raser" who argue that they're able to control their cars at 240+ kmh. Well, problem is that not everyone is as experienced and awesome as you. As someone has mentioned, all it takes is one geezer to misjudge the distance and pull out in front of you...
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:53 PM   #4319
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Some pictures from A95 Munich - Garmisch-Partenkirchen

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The Kia Ceed 1.4L couldn't go more than this
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Old August 22nd, 2012, 10:58 PM   #4320
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The Autobahn ends, and we continue on B2

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And continue to Innsbruck

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