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Old May 4th, 2013, 08:47 AM   #4821
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http://www.mz-web.de/mitteldeutschla...,22668878.html

http://www.bverwg.de/presse/pressemi...ahr=2013&nr=25

The high court in Leipzig has dismissed all appeals by BUND against the construction of the A14 in the state of Brandenburg. The court judged that the plans are sufficient to reduce impact on nature and environment. They also dismissed the appeals questioning the necessity of the Autobahn, which gives great precedent for the other segments of A14, which are more or less the same in character.



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And a map of the already finished sections of the A14 (Source)
(the planned A14 stretch will cut through Germany´s largest Autobahn-free area. )
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Old May 4th, 2013, 08:48 AM   #4822
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The B2R is a inner city road, so it is not counted by BASt.
B2R has a DTV of 140000 in Garmischer Straße. It may have even higher values at Donnersberger Brücke and Landshuter Allee.
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There : [OSM] you can see better the A14 planned section
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #4824
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A27 Walsrode - Cuxhaven

Some photos of A27, which is a 162 kilometer Autobahn from Walsrode (north of Hannover) via Bremen and Bremerhaven to Cuxhaven. Very few Dutch here for a change, especially north of the Bremer Kreuz.

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A27 Bremen

Bypassing the city of Bremen. This is the oldest part of the Autobahn, it originally opened in 1937, but it doesn't look like your typical Reichsautobahn. It was probably rebuilt. A part was widened to 2x3 lanes in 2005.

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Old May 4th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #4826
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I have a question: which Autobahn (sectors) were built by the the former communist regime in East Germany?
Internal list of German Democratic Republic Autobahns: > click <.
Map of planned GDR Autobahn network 1958: > click <.
Opening list of GDR Autobahns: > click <.
Simple Autobahn map 1980 (GDR): > click <.
Autobahn map 1985 (whole Germany): > click <.
Autobahn map 1990 (whole Germany): > click <.
Today's Autobahn map: > click <.
Map of planned Autobahn network 2015 based on BVWP 2003 (urgent demand): > click <.
Map of planned Autobahn network 2030 based on BVWP 2003 (further demand): > click <.

Parts of the today's A4, A12, A14 and A72 were only half-profile at the time.
All maps as of 1990 show the number of lanes (red = 2x2, violet = 2x3, darkviolet = 2x4, see legend).
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B178 Weißenberg - Zittau (- Liberec)

The future B178 will connect the German A4 Dresden - Görlitz with the Czech R35 (Liberec).

The first section begins at the A4 east of the current AS Weißenberg. Section 1.1 has a length of 5.1km and will get 2x2 lanes (OSM). The plan approval procedure has started in 2010. The order is estimated to be passed in 2013, but complaints are most likely. The groundbreaking ceremony could at best be possible in 2015. The section will feature 2x2 lanes without hard shoulders.

The 6.4km long section 1.2 from road S112 near Nostitz to AS Löbau-West (B6) was opened in 2008 (OSM). The 6.4km long section 2 (Löbau bypass) is in service since 2001 (OSM). Both sections have 2x2 lanes without hard shoulders. The next 5.9km long section 3.1 from AS Löbau-South (S148) to AS Obercunnersdorf (S143) was built from May 2008 to November 2010 (OSM). It features 3 lanes (2+1).

The construction of section 3.2 started directly subsequent to section 3.1 completion (OSM). It is announced to be finished in late 2013, probably in October 2013. This 3-laned section has a length of 10.2km and ends at AS Niederoderwitz (S128).

The plan approval procedure for section 3.3 started long ago. There were many objects, and the plans must be modified. There was no chance to get a final and conclusive plan approval order. A new route near the mountain/hill Pferdeberg must be aligned now. The section has a length of about 5.9km and will feature 3 lanes (OSM).

The 3-laned Zittau bypass is section 4 (OSM). It has a length of 3.6km and was opened in year 2000. Section 5 is completed and will get in service together with the Polish section (OSM). Poland announced to finish the construction of the Neiße viaduct until late May 2013. There will be a festival on 1st of June, and both sections will be opened some weeks later (maybe in July 2013).

The Czech section is also u/c, but there is a complaint by a dispossessed ground land owner (she wants a higher compensation). There is still no date announced regarding the hearing at the court. Thus it is unlikely that the road can be opened in 2013 (OSM).

The whole German road will be grade-separated, but there will be some roundabouts on Polish and Czech side - the first one directly after the German/Polish border. I don't know, if the Polish and the Czech sections feature 2 or 3 lanes.

Official project page: > click <. http://www.b178-neu.de/.
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News:

- Hesse Mobil announced, that the 2nd carriageway of the A661 from AS Frankfurt-Friedberger Landstraße to AS Frankfurt-East will be opened in 2015 (OSM). Groundbreaking was in November 2011, but there was no progress for many years. The yellow press ("BILD") called it "Germanys slowest construction". The works for the bridges within the future interchange AD Erlenbruch will start in late 2013. The A66 "Riederwaldtunnel" is estimated to be opened in 2020 (OSM). The official groundbreaking ceremony was in September 2009, but nothing happened up to now.

- The plans for the future Süderelbe viaduct im Hamburg will be presented on 16th of May (OSM). The viaduct will get a height of 53m! It is part of the A26 harbor link road ("Hafenquerspange").
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The yellow press ("BILD") called it "Germanys slowest construction".
I'm always puzzled by the lack of speed with these kind of projects in Germany. Perhaps they should look at the Netherlands where a couple of years ago the so-called Crisis and Recovery Act was introduced. This law was meant to speed up decision-making, allowing important projects to be carried out, without any delay caused by legal procedures in court or elsewhere.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the construction of a new road, or the widening of an existing highway seems to take much more time in Germany than in the Netherlands (e.g. the widening of the Autobahn 5, replacement of the viaduct at the Autobahn 3/2 in Oberhausen etc. compared to the widening of the A12 near Arnhem, widening of the A2 etc.). Are there any plans to speed up this process in Germany as well?
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This law was meant to speed up decision-making, allowing important projects to be carried out, without any delay caused by legal procedures in court or elsewhere.
Normal projects are first handled by the states Higher Administrative Courts ("Oberverwaltungsgericht"), afterwards the Federal Administrative Court ("Bundesverwaltungsgericht") can be used as 2nd instance.
There is a list of projects which contains projects to be challenged only at the highest court, the Federal Administrative Court. Nearly all important Autobahn projects are part of this group. The result is, that the court has a lot to do and the waiting times have increased .

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There are many plans. But they don't suit the action to the word .

The main problem is, that the (local) politicans want to donate their voters with presents, e.g. a groundbreaking. The result is, that many projects are started, but there is not enough money to fund all currently projects. Sometimes there is only money for preliminary works. A longer construction period does also mean a longer period of jams and accidents. It is always the same shit .

The only working speed up action is PPP. But there are big concerns if PPP is really better. Many people compares only the costs (which can be higher with PPP). They normally forget the macroeconomic benefit.

I think PPP are better than conventional projects because the projects can be finished earlier und the construction periods are shorter, thus the macroeconomic benefit is higher than the additional costs.
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Are there any plans to add shoulder on the two A13 sections that have no emergency lanes? I drove yesterday there and these 2 sections are a little bit annoying when there is traffic. Also Dreieck Spreewald needs to be reconfigurated probably, you have to reduce speed to around 50km/h when you go direction Dresden-Berlin. Also there seems to be a need for a 3rd lane between Kreuz Schonefeld and Dreieck Spreewald.
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Saarland and vicinity situation

The situation around Saarland is quite complicated, in terms of highways connections:
  • A1 and A623 have no connection with the W-E A620, requiring traffic through complciated city streets of Saarbruecken if one is using either to go to France
  • connections with France are bad, especially A4 (France) south direction Strasbourg
  • A8 becomes a B-highway near Pirmasens, but it lacks a good connection with Landau because there is a sector of 18km without expressway-grade facilities right in the mountains
  • A8 near Luxembourg border is substandard
  • A1 x A62 interhcange in Norweller has a strange design - why not make A1 south (direcetion Saarbruecken) fully accessible from A62 east?

Is there some scheduled work to take care of this?
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Are there any plans to add shoulder on the two A13 sections that have no emergency lanes? I drove yesterday there and these 2 sections are a little bit annoying when there is traffic.
The section from AS Thiendorf to the Saxony/Brandenburg border was recently finished in late 2012.

It was announced (in Febuary 2010!) that the entire renovation (include emergency lane adding) of the 1930th Autobahn in Saxony will be complete until 2013. Anyway, the last left section from AS Radeburg to interchange AD Dresden-North is still not u/c.

Which section should be the 2nd one?

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Also Dreieck Spreewald needs to be reconfigurated probably, you have to reduce speed to around 50km/h when you go direction Dresden-Berlin. Also there seems to be a need for a 3rd lane between Kreuz Schonefeld and Dreieck Spreewald.
It is further demand within the BVWP 2003. This project is also part of the Brandenburgs wishlist for the future BVWP 2015.

But I think, there is no need for widening due to the A13 is not very busy, see AADT (red = trucks):

AK Schönefelder Kreuz (A 10) – AS Ragow (2) 45600 / 6065 (13,3%)
AS Ragow (2) – AS Mittenwalde (3a) 45600 / 6065 (13,3%)
AS Mittenwalde (3a) – AS Groß Köris (4) 46500 / 7254 (15,6%)
AS Groß Köris (4) – AS Teupitz (5a) 48700 / 7110 (14,6%)
AS Teupitz (5a) – AS Baruth/Mark (5b) 45200 / 7729 (17,1%)
AS Baruth/Mark (5b) – AS Staakow (6) 44300 / 6778 (15,3%)
AS Staakow (6) – AS Freiwalde (7) 42700 / 6917 (16,2%)
AS Freiwalde (7) – AS Duben (8) 38200 / 5959 (15,6%)
AS Duben (8) – AS Lübbenau (9) 40000 / 6520 (16,3%)
AS Lübbenau (9) – AD Spreewald (A 15) 38800 / 6402 (16,5%)
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The situation around Saarland is quite complicated, in terms of highways connections:
A1 and A623 have no connection with the W-E A620, requiring traffic through complciated city streets of Saarbruecken if one is using either to go to France
It is planned to connect the A1 with the A623 (OSM). There are also plans to extent the A623 up to the A620 (OSM).
There are also plans to widen the A620 or to build a south bypass between A620 and A8 (http://suedumgehung-sb.de/).

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connections with France are bad, especially A4 (France) south direction Strasbourg
I think there is no big need for a better connection.
But the new B269 was already build in the last few years.

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A8 becomes a B-highway near Pirmasens, but it lacks a good connection with Landau because there is a sector of 18km without expressway-grade facilities right in the mountains
Big discussions since many decades. If required I can give you a detailed update.

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A8 near Luxembourg border is substandard
There is one left section with only one carriageway. It is planned to build the 2nd carriageway "soon" (see post from last week). The rest is OK, isn't it?

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A1 x A62 interhcange in Norweller has a strange design - why not make A1 south (direcetion Saarbruecken) fully accessible from A62 east?
I guess there is no demand for a better AD Nonnweiler design.
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Big discussions since many decades. If required I can give you a detailed update.
It is not "needed" but I'm curious about it. I drove there once from Luxembourg to Manheim.
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It was announced (in Febuary 2010!) that the entire renovation (include emergency lane adding) of the 1930th Autobahn in Saxony will be complete until 2013. Anyway, the last left section from AS Radeburg to interchange AD Dresden-North is still not u/c.
I think this bridge (exit Marsdorf) requires immediate reconstruction:













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Which section should be the 2nd one?
Thank you for your very detailed answer. There is also a section without shoulders in Brandenburg, around Calau.
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I think this bridge (exit Marsdorf) requires immediate reconstruction
Why? I'm not aware of anything inherently wrong with steel spans atop stone columns. Does every bridge that was built using methods no longer in use today require immediate reconstruction?
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Why? I'm not aware of anything inherently wrong with steel spans atop stone columns. Does every bridge that was built using methods no longer in use today require immediate reconstruction?
As long as it carries its intended traffic load and is otherwise in good condition, why fix it?

It looks to me like a pre-War bridge that was destroyed or wore out and was then rebuilt using surplus military equipment.

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