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Old May 6th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #4841
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I think this bridge (exit Marsdorf) requires immediate reconstruction:
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I would say that this is probably an American WWII military transportable bridge, especially invented for fast replacements of then destroyed German steel overpass bridges on captured Reichsautobahns, to fasten American transport routes at the end of WWII. Because of the fact that Ausfahrt Marsdorf is situated in area first occupied by Soviets, I would say also that this bridge was probably situated in the area which was first occupied by the Americans (all Saxony westwards of Elbe/Torgau, after the Potsdam conference in July/August 1945 was given to the Soviets) and sometime in first decades after WWII relocated on its present place.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #4842
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A27 Bremen

Video of A27 through the city of Bremen.

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Old May 8th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #4843
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A27 Bremen - Cuxhaven

Some photos of A27 between Bremen and Cuxhaven. This is a 2x2 Autobahn, both with asphalt and concrete, quality of which varies, the first segment of concrete appears to have been recently reconstructed and has excellent quality, however next is a stretch of new asphalt that is very bumpy and limited at 80 km/h for quite some time.

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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:00 PM   #4844
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German political party calls for lower autobahn speed limits

Opposing SPD political party pushes for 120km/h limit on all German motorways


Currently around 40 per cent of German autobahns are limited

Derestricted autobahns are emerging as an electoral issue in Germany. Sigmar Gabriel, leader of the opposition SPD party, is in support of introducing a 120km/h (75mph) limit on all autobahns.

Gabriel has cited accident statistics that show a lower amount of deaths and serious injury on restricted motorways as justification for the move. At present, 40 per cent of German autobahns have a 130km/h (81mph) limit imposed temporarily or permanently, and it remains a recommended limit on derestricted roads.

The SPD has made no formal policy on the idea and aims to consult provincial councils if the plan progresses. The Green Party in Germany has also suggested an 80km/h (50mph) limit on country roads, a suggestion on which Sigmar Gabriel refused to comment. However, an SPD-Green coalition has been rumoured if the SPD is elected to office.

Opposing the SPD and Green argument is Germany's automobile organisation ADAC, which believes Gabriel's argument is 'unsustainable'. ADAC spokesperson Andreas Hölzel told newspaper Bild that the current autobahn infrastructure in Germany makes for very safe roads. Despite being used for a third of German road travel, the autobahns accounted for just 11 per cent of Germany's serious traffic accidents and fatalities in 2012.

Hölzel was also keen to highlight that no comparison has yet been made between accidents on derestricted autobahns and those with a speed limit in place.

ADAC is therefore advocating the introduction of roundabouts to replace dangerous junctions and adding passing lanes to blackspot areas on minor roads. Its reasoning stems from the fact that 60 per cent of German road deaths occur on country roads.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #4845
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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #4846
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That's certainly a good sarcastic reaction to either the masses of sirens that preceded the article, or craziness of the Greens.

120km/h is silly - the poor-quality autobahns have been refurbished, and as such there's little reason why 130km/h wouldn't be suitable. The Netherlands recently upped their limit to 130, the UK has toyed with it (though never taken the plunge to go from 114 to 128 - 70mph to 80mph) many times, and 130km/h is the current recommended speed limit. That said, there's little to be gained from mandating what is recommended here.

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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #4847
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The drivers on German autobahns must keep their freedom to choose the speed they feel most comfortable with!

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Citroen 2CV vs. Porsche 911. Both drivers enjoy their ride. No need to implement speed limits!
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Old May 8th, 2013, 04:01 PM   #4848
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It seems like Peer Steinbrück, the SPD candidate for Chancellor of Germany in the upcoming federal election, contradicts Sigmar Gabriel. The current situation is sufficient according to Steinbrück. So it seems Gabriel's proposal could be regarded as part of a campaign to please voters on the left side of the political spectrum.

This issue is an ongoing public debate, but there isn't a (political) majority who wants to impose a speed limit. Wolfgang Tiefensee (SPD), who was the Federal Minister for Transport in the grand coalition of the CDU with the SPD, suggested a few years ago that it would be good to reduce the carbon dioxide emissions by imposing a speed limit. In May 2008 the large coalition as well as the FDP rejected the introduction of a speed limit of 130 km/h.

Also the coalition of the SPD and Greens failed to impose a speed limit. Gerhard Schröder called Germany an Autofahrernation (a nation of drivers) to point out the fact that a speed limit would not be generally accepted by the public.

Even in the heartland of the German automotive industry, Baden-Württemberg, which is currently being ruled by a Greens-led alliance with the Social Democrats, were plans to implement a speed cap of 120 km/h on the unrestricted stretches of the Autobahn. But this didn't happen.

In contrast the support of left-wing politicians, there is also the important and powerful lobby of VDA (Verband der Automobilindustrie, a German interest group of the German automobile industry), AVD (Germany's oldest automobile club), ADAC (Germany's and Europe's largest automobile club), Porsche, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Volkswagen, Opel, etc. which oppose a speed limit. They and many Germans even suggest Freie Fahrt für freie Bürger, which could be interpreted like 'free speeds for free people'.

An overall speed limit seems not very likely, unless something weirds of remarkable happens the coming months before the elections.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #4849
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I just hope this is a political stunt like always; driving fast on autobahnen is an issue too small to convince voters and a freedom too big to be suppressed.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #4850
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It's not the first time that a high ranking politician has opted for this idea. What is that name again of that charismatic chain smoking minister in the Kohl administration? I think he even suggested a 100 kph limit...
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It's not the first time that a high ranking politician has opted for this idea. What is that name again of that charismatic chain smoking minister in the Kohl administration? I think he even suggested a 100 kph limit...
I suppose you mean Helmut Schmidt (SPD), the chain-smoking Chancellor of West Germany from 1974 to 1982. He proposed a speed limit on the Autobahn in 1979 as part of a campaign to reduce fuel consumption. This wasn't even the first time a speed limit became a hot item. In 1973, during the oil crisis, head of Ministry of Transport Lauritz Lauritzen (SPD) took the opportunity to implement a general speed limit of 100 km/h on the Autobahn. Following a campaign by ADAC and magazine Bild, the speed limit was subsequently withdrawn in March 1974 and marked the end of Lauritzen's political career.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 10:21 PM   #4852
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In the back of my mind I seem to remember the name Fischer in the late 80's or the beginning of the 90's.
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In the back of my mind I seem to remember the name Fischer in the late 80's or the beginning of the 90's.
Joschka Fischer, leader of the Greens, argued for a speed limit in the '90s. Later he became Foreign Minister and Vice Chancellor of Germany in the cabinet of Gerhard Schröder from 1998 to 2005. As we all know no speed limit was enforced by this coalition, but it seems to me the establishment of the Umweltzone was bargaining chip in order to please the left wing of the SPD and the Greens - quid pro quo.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #4854
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End of this summer there will be parliamentary elections in Germany. The socialdemocrats have quite a little chance to win, and now they try to do something, get some new idea that will get them some voters. However, I think, this one today was not quite a good idea :-)
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Joschka Fischer, leader of the Greens, argued for a speed limit in the '90s. Later he became Foreign Minister and Vice Chancellor of Germany in the cabinet of Gerhard Schröder from 1998 to 2005. As we all know no speed limit was enforced by this coalition, but it seems to me the establishment of the Umweltzone was bargaining chip in order to please the left wing of the SPD and the Greens - quid pro quo.
Yep, that's our guy...
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Old May 9th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #4856
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This is just politics. Sure, a 120-130 kph autobahn limit could be imposed, but it wouldn't really change anything, and a lower limit won't ever happen, imo. I do, however, think that reducing the default highway limit from 100 to 80 kph is more sensible, posting a higher limit where the road quality merits such speeds.
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Hmmm... I think 100 will do the job just fine on these B-roads...
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On some of them, I agree. But as a generic limit, I think it's too high. I've stated on many occasions that road safety is paramount for me, and when it comes to undivided roads, speed is a real killer.
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I've stated on many occasions that road safety is paramount for me, and when it comes to undivided roads, speed is a real killer.
The solution is quite simple: more Autobahns! It's remarkable to notice that those - especially the Greens - who want to impose a speed limit in the name of safety are mostly also the ones who oppose new highways and widening of existing ones. When it comes down to upgrading undivided roads safety is apparently not a major issue anymore.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #4860
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Yes, the only way to significantly reduce road fatalities is to build more autobahns. It's much more effective than reducing speed limits.
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