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Old May 9th, 2013, 01:07 AM   #4861
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Not necessary, speed is unquestionably a basic risk factor in road safety, but it isn't the only factor. The Autobahn carries about a third of all Germany's traffic, but less than 12% of all fatalities. In fact, the annual fatality rate is consistently lower than that of most other highway systems. But 60% of all German traffic fatalities occur on B-roads. If politicians wants to act in the name of safety, than they shouldn't dogmatic oppose upgrading secondary roads into undivided roads, otherwise their reliability and motives are questionable.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #4862
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I find many turning lanes on B-roads particularly dangerous. Too short and sometimes with bad views to oncoming traffic.

They should use much more intelligent traffic lights with sensors, like they do here in the Netherlands.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 01:26 AM   #4863
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Yes, I agree. The Netherlands is well advanced with these traffic lights in comparison to pretty much all other European countries. And I'm very surprised that no other country has used the Netherlands as an example, as they have been using them for decades.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 02:07 AM   #4864
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Yesterday in Berlin there was the official ground breaking ceremony for the construction of the newest A100 section!
This stretch will be 3,2 km long and it will cost 470 million €uro. With a price of 150.000€uro/m it will be the most expensive Autobahn in the histroy of Germany.

Autobahn: A100
Section: AD Neukölln <---> AS Am Treptower Park
Length: 3,2 km
Cost: 470 million €uro
Construction time: 2013 - 2021

This project faced strong opposition from BANANAs* in the last years but all their protests and lawsuits failed ultimately.

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Spatenstich für die A100-Verlängerung - fast ungestört

Jahrelang gab es Proteste und Klagen gegen die Verlängerung der A100. Nun sollen die Bauarbeiten für Deutschlands teuersten Autobahnabschnitt starten. Beim ersten Spatenstich war es erstaunlich ruhig.



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Section 16 is now under construction. Number 17 will follow sometime in the 2020s.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #4865
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Will the A100 become a complete circle before the year 2100?
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:07 AM   #4866
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Berlin lost the chance for a quick completion of A100 after the fall of the wall, when they could pass virtually any project they wanted under the guise of re-making the city whole (and a ring highway is a perfect epithet of that)
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:04 PM   #4867
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Autobahn: A100
Section: AD Neukölln <---> AS Am Treptower Park
Length: 3,2 km
Cost: 470 million €uro
Construction time: 2013 - 2021
Well, the estimated costs are about 473 million € now.
Completion is estimated for 2021/22, that means at the earliest 2022 .

See press release.

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Die Fertigstellung und Verkehrsfreigabe der Gesamtbaumaßnahme des 16. BA der A 100 wurde auf Grundlage der detaillierten Rahmenterminplanung auf den Jahreswechsel 2021/2022 terminiert.
The expected AADT is about 105,000 vehicles per day on the short 8-laned stretch between AD Neukölln and half-AS Grenzallee (400m). Up to AS Sonnenallee 99,600 vehicles per day (2x3). The expected AADT on the next 6-laned section is about 60,000.

The speed limit will be 80km/h, 60km/h within the AD Neukölln.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #4868
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A3 news

Two further plan approval orders for widening the A3 between Würzburg and Nürnberg have recently passed. These are the 4.0km long section 5 from AS Geiselwind to the Lower Franconia/Upper Franconia border near Aschberg (OSM) and the 9.4km long section 10 from service area Aurach to interchange AK Fürth/Erlangen (OSM).

The section 5 procedure started in February 2011, the procedure for section 10 in February 2010.
The plan approval orders for section 1 (December 2009), 3 (March 2011) and 4 (December 2009) have already passed.

The plan approval procedure for section 2 (12.4km from east of river Main viaduct to AS Wiesentheid) was started in August 2011. It was annouced that it will be finished in spring 2013.
The plan approval procedure for section 6 (10.5km from Aschberg to east of AS Schlüsselfeld was started in September 2009.

The plan approval procedures for section 7, 8 and 9 have not yet started. It is planned to reach building laws till 2015. It is also planned to fund the whole widening by PPP (about 80km).
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:38 PM   #4869
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It is also planned to fund the whole widening by PPP (about 80km).
Does this also mean that the entire project will be as quick as the A1 Hamburg - Bremen and A5 Baden-Baden - Offenburg widening projects? The A8 Karlsruhe - Stuttgart widening is a disaster, it takes so long before the entire project is finished.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:45 PM   #4870
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Question: what is PPP?
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:50 PM   #4871
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Does this also mean that the entire project will be as quick as the A1 Hamburg - Bremen and A5 Baden-Baden - Offenburg widening projects?
PPP A1 Hamburg - Bremen: started in 2008, completed in October 2012.
PPP A5 Baden-Baden - Offenburg: started in February 2010, completation late 2013.

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The A8 Karlsruhe - Stuttgart widening is a disaster, it takes so long before the entire project is finished.
That is not PPP! The construction for the last 9.1km long section from AS Karlsbad to AS Pforzheim-West has started in August 2009 and will probably be completed in early 2015.

Only Ulm - Augsburg (August 2011 to December 2015) and Augsburg - Munich (completed in December 2010) are PPP.
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Question: what is PPP?
Public Private Partnership, see wikipedia.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 03:53 PM   #4873
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Public Private Partnership. Referred to as "PPS" in Dutch.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 04:01 PM   #4874
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Latest news

- The opening ceremony for A81 widening between AS Böblingen-Hulb and AS Gärtringen (6.8km) happened on Tuesday (OSM). But all lanes (2x3) have been in service since December 2012. The groundbreaking ceremoy was in July 2009. The works were started in May 2011. The construction has cost about 43.8 million €. AADT is about 80,000 vehicles per day (official counting in 2010, the latest press release refers 100,000).

- Groundbreaking ceremony for B19 Bad Mergentheim bypass was on Tuesday (OSM). 12.5 million € for 2.7km road. Completion: late 2014.

- Groundbreaking ceremony for 2nd section of the B23 Bad Saulgrub bypass was on Monday (OSM). 23 million € for 2.7km road. Completion: late 2016. The first section was built from February 2009 to late 2011. The plan approval order was passed in November 2000.

- Groundbreaking ceremony for B25 Wallerstein/Ehringen bypass will be on 3rd of June 2013 (OSM). A short section of the 3.6km bypass will get 3 lanes. The plan approval order was passed in March 2011.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 05:59 PM   #4875
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B10 Pirmasens - Landau

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A8 becomes a B-highway near Pirmasens, but it lacks a good connection with Landau because there is a sector of 18km without expressway-grade facilities right in the mountains
Is there some scheduled work to take care of this?
It was planned that the A8 shall connect Saarbrücken and Karlsruhe, but there was a big opposition to a route through the Palatinate Forest.

The today's A8 between Karlsruhe and Stuttgart was already completed in 1939. The today's A8 east of Saarbrücken was rededicate or opened in the 1970th. The last A8 section from AS Walshausen to AS Pirmasens-Winzeln is in service since 1981. Here the A8 changes over to A62. The planned A8 route is equal with the today's L600 southwest of Pirmasens. The A8 shall pass Karlsruhe southerly near the tripoint France/Rhineland-Palatinate/Baden-Württemberg.

The best alternative connection on that route is the B10. It starts at the A62-AS Pirmasens and ends at the A65-AS Landau-North. The A65 connects Ludwigshafen and Karlsruhe leftwards of the Rhine.

A widening to 2x2 lanes of the entire B10 is planned according to the current Federal demand plan (BWVP 2003). The first 15km section from the A62 to Walmersbach (east of Ruppertsweiler) has already be widened (OSM). The last 0.7km section (2nd carriageway near Pirmasens-Haseneck) is in service since 7th November 2012.

The next 3.8km long section from Walmersbach to Hinterweidenthal (B327) is u/c (OSM). It is not only a simple addition of a 2nd carriageway but a realignment. The plan approval order was passed in September 2009, works started in June 2010 and completion is estimated for 2016 (34 million €).

The plan approval procedure for a 0.8km long upgrade to 3 lanes west of Hauenstein (OSM) has started in July 2012. This includes a new edoduct within the current 3-laned section.

The widening of the B10 from Hinterweidenthal to Godramstein has only further demand in the BVWP 2003. The topography is very ambitious, e.g. there are many tunnels on the current route.

The plan approval order for the 4km long section from Godramstein to A62-AS Landau-North (OSM) was passed in September 2010. It is challenged by the BUND (> click <).

The district Südwestpfalz (Pirmasens area) wants an entire widening of the B10. The destrict Südliche Weinstraße (Landau area) wants no widening at all. So the state government started a mediation process. Unfortunately it failed in 2005 (costs: 280,000 €). A 2nd mediation process started in September 2012 and failed in February 2013 (costs: 350,000 €). The state government adopted one week ago, that only the sections Hinterweidenthal - Hauenstein (OSM) and the section Godramstein - AS Landau-North shall remain in the future BVWP 2015, but the last decision will be made by the Federal Government in 2015 or 2016. According to the latest information a 20km long gap (OSM) will remain as it is.

Official project page: > click <.

AADT 2010:
A 62 / L 471 – Krfr. Pirmasens (L 474) 21,100 / 2,785 (13,2%)
Krfr. Pirmasens (L 474) – Krfr. Pirmasens 21,700 / 2,691 (12,4%)
Krfr. Pirmasens – Krfr. Pirmasens (B 270) 19,100 / 2,502 (13,1%)
Krfr. Piramsens (B 270) – L 482, Überführung B 10 16,700 / 2,338 (14%)
L 482, Überführung B 10 – Krfr. Pirmasens 15,500 / 2,387 (15,4%)
Krfr. Pirmasens – Münchweiler an der Rodalb 20000 / 2560 (12,8%)
Münchweiler an der Rodalb – Münchweiler an der Rodalb (L 487) 19,600 / 2,744 (14%)
Münchweiler an der Rodalb (L 487) – Hinterweidenthal (B 427) 18,500 / 2,997 (16,2%)
Hinterweidenthal (B 427) – Wilgartswiesen (L 495) 15,400 / 2,741 (17,8%)
Wilgartswiesen (L 495) – Rinnthal (L 490) 14,800 / 2,664 (18%)
Umgehung Rinnthal Wellb. (B 48) – Annweiler, Abfahrt Schwimmbad (B 48) 17,800 / 3,204 (18%)
Annweiler, Auffahrt Kreisel Schwimmbad (B 48) – Auffahrt Kläranlage Annweiler 18,700 / 3,310 (17,7%)
Auffahrt Kläranlage (B10) – Abfahrt Albersweiler (L505) 22,200 / 3,530 (15,9%)
Auffahrt Albersweiler (L505) – Abfahrt Birkweiler (L 508) 22,700 / 3,155 (13,9%)
Birkweiler (L 508) – Krfr. Landau i. d. Pfalz 26,600 / 3,086 (11,6%)
Krfr. Landau i. d. Pfalz – AS Landau-Nord (A 65) 22,400 / 3,338 (14,9%)
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Old May 10th, 2013, 10:02 AM   #4876
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Will the A100 become a complete circle before the year 2100?
No. Not that one ever really knows with German politicians (or politicians in general) but the official plan is to not make a complete circle.
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A27 Bremen - Cuxhaven

A video of the A27 between Bremen and Cuxhaven. This is one of the longest stretches I ever did in one video, it's about 80 kilometers.

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Old May 10th, 2013, 05:09 PM   #4878
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The solution is quite simple: more Autobahns! It's remarkable to notice that those - especially the Greens - who want to impose a speed limit in the name of safety are mostly also the ones who oppose new highways and widening of existing ones. When it comes down to upgrading undivided roads safety is apparently not a major issue anymore.
I certainly agree that Germany should widen many existing Autobahnen and build a few more (and whether they are completely derestricted or posted 120, 130, 140, 160, isn't that much of an issue). But elsewhere, I'd say that most regular undivided 2-lane roads should have an 80 kph limit. As we all know, it's the Bundesstrassen that are real killers.
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I certainly agree that Germany should widen many existing Autobahnen and build a few more (and whether they are completely derestricted or posted 120, 130, 140, 160, isn't that much of an issue). But elsewhere, I'd say that most regular undivided 2-lane roads should have an 80 kph limit. As we all know, it's the Bundesstrassen that are real killers.
No, the real killers are cigarettes and coal-burning power stations. The number of people killed on undivided 2-lane roads is just about zero by comparison.
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Rather off topic, don't you think..? Far more people die on the Bundesstrassen than on Autobahnen, that's the point. And I for one think it makes sense to deal with that in a sensible manner...
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