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Old May 30th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #4981
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The pavement of the A9 between AK Neufahrn and AK Munich-North must urgently be renewed (see project page; OSM).

Without a renewal of the road a safe use of the Autobahn would not be sustainable during the next winter. Total costs: 22 million €.

The renovation will be done in 3 phases on weekends.

Phase 1: 8./9. June and 15./16. June; buffer: 22./23. June
Phase 2: 29./30. June and 6./7. July; buffer: 13./14. July
Phase 3: 24./25. August and 31.August/1st September; buffer: 7./8. September
The works will always start on Friday evening at 10:30PM and will be finished until Monday at 5:30AM.
There will be 3 lanes northwards and only 2 lanes southwards (instead of 2x4).

I guess that will be "funny" for the vacation traffic!
AFAIK a porous asphalt pavement has been put there. Do they plan to keep this type of surface or will it be change to non-porous one?
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Old May 30th, 2013, 02:54 PM   #4982
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Trees in the median of highways are pretty rare, though. Can you point the exact spot on the map?
Maybe south of Freiburg?


Or near Freiburg?

(source http://autobahn-bilder.de)

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I´ve never seen trees in the median on German autobahns.
It is not unusual.

New trees were also plant in the median on the A3 near Aschaffenburg last year. Here an old picture of that location:


(source http://autobahn-bilder.de)
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Old May 30th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #4983
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AFAIK a porous asphalt pavement has been put there. Do they plan to keep this type of surface or will it be change to non-porous one?
Yes, that's right. Due to the fact that it is contained in the plan approval order for noise protection, it is mandated to use it again (but I hope they will now use a long-lived asphalt type).
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Old May 30th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #4984
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I've read a Danish report about porous asphalt where they note that the state of Bayern has bad experiences with porous asphalt.

Porous asphalt has improved in recent years, the average age went up from 7 to 12 years. Damage usually occurs to asphalt that is nearing the end of its lifespan. The key is to do preventive repaving, instead of waiting until it falls apart.

Porous asphalt can only be paved in dry conditions with temperatures above zero. Which means that if winter damage occurs already in December, you have a destroyed road by February because only emergency repairs can be done.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #4985
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I've driven over the A9 between Kreuz Neufahrn and Kreuz München Nord this morning. Speedlimit is 80 kph and the asphalt has gone very dodgy indeed. Wasn't like this in and before the winter.
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Old May 30th, 2013, 10:22 PM   #4986
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- The groundbreaking ceremony for the reconstruction of the A3 Lahntalbrücke viaduct near Limburg will be on 8th June 2013. Completion: 2017. Costs: 67 million €. OSM. Project page.

- The groundbreaking ceremony for the A33/B51 Belm bypass will be on 17th June 2013. See my old post for more info: > click <.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 02:14 PM   #4987
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So 3 1/2 years of congestion near Limburg. They should have re-built it when they were building the high-speed rail line Dortmund-Frankfurt.
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Old May 31st, 2013, 10:48 PM   #4988
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So 3 1/2 years of congestion near Limburg.
No. The new viaduct will be built next to the existing viaduct. The traffic will run 2x3 all the time.

PS: I forgot to tell you yesterday, that the new viaduct will feature 2x4 lanes plus hard shoulders .
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Old June 1st, 2013, 03:18 PM   #4989
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The groundbreaking ceremony for the A33/B51 Belm bypass will be on 17th June 2013. See my old post for more info: > click <.
Only preliminary works will be done in 2013: a subordinate street will be placed, see press release.

The planning for the northern section up to the A1 advanced as follow:
- Pre planning is in progress.
- Plan approval procedure will not be started before 2016.
- The new 9.2km long A33 section will not be completed before 2024/25.

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Old June 1st, 2013, 03:21 PM   #4990
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- The construction for the first A20 service area T+R Schöneberger Land will start on Monday. A gas station, a shop and a fast food restaurant will be built on each side. Completion is estimated in December 2013 (map; press release).
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Old June 1st, 2013, 03:24 PM   #4991
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The following 8.9 long Heiligenhaus gap is u/c.
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- The new 9.2km long A33 section will not be completed before 2024/25.
Hmmm. That's not very ambitious, but understandable given the lack of money for road projects in Germany.
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Hmmm. That's not very ambitious, but understandable given the lack of money for road projects in Germany.
Yes, that's common in Germany. But the Autobahn will surely not been opened in 2024 or 2025. I am sure that this section will not be opened for traffic until 2030 due to the fact that NIMBYs will take action against the plan approval order and considering the general German funding situation.
The regional planning procedure was started in 2005 ("Raumordnungsverfahren"). The first planning steps were paid by the district of Osnabrück, the city of Osnabrück, the regional economy and the regional chambers of Industry and Commerce (IHK) with the objective that there was any progress at all. But there were already "detailed" plans in the 1970th to close the gap to the A1...

Some bypass projects and Autobahn projects in some regions (especially in the north and in the east of Germany) are mostly faster, but in comparison with projects in the west or in the south of Germany, the A33 project has surely not the slowest progress.
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You seem to have a lot of problems with NIMBY's. We have had 25 motorway "Planfeststellungsbeschlüße" in the Netherlands since 2008 and not a single one of them was delayed by NIMBYs. All plans were upheld by the high court.
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You seem to have a lot of problems with NIMBY's. We have had 25 motorway "Planfeststellungsbeschlüße" in the Netherlands since 2008 and not a single one of them was delayed by NIMBYs. All plans were upheld by the high court.
Most of the complaints are rejected nowadays. This is only possible by spending a lot of time (and money) for the planning procedures. Now the complaints are usually causing a delay only - but of 1-3 years!
Afterwards the main problem is the lack of money. This is also caused by expensive buildings (like ecoducts, noise protection, housing tunnels,...) which are arranged to get a final and conclusive plan approval order! That's a vicious circle ("Teufelskreis") .
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There is a lot of flooding in southeastern and eastern Germany due to excessive rainfall, some totals exceed 300 mm / liter pro quadratmeter in Bayern. Many local roads are flooded, several river towns are under evacuation or experiencing a historic flooding. A8 is closed at the Chiemsee as well.

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'kin tell me about it. Just done Mayrhofen - Munich Airport and back. Lots of spray on the motorway, and the only way you can travel from Innsbruck to Salzburg is via Munich and Passau. Through roads in both the Großes Deutsches Eck, as well as the Kleine are closed. Rail travel between Kufstein and Salzburg is also halted due to flooding in Bavaria. All roads around Kitzbuhel and St Johann are flooded.
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A8 at Grabenstätt. The actual river that causes this flood is over 1 kilometer from here.
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I'm just wondering how to get to Salzburg tomorrow. Don't feel like going all the way via Munich and Passau, which is the only option right now.
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A8 at Grabenstätt. The actual river that causes this flood is over 1 kilometer from here.
That's what happens when humans destroy the natural flood plain. The water has to go somewhere.
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