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Old June 8th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #5041
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There are discussions to built a tunnel below the Rhine instead of a new viaduct. There are also discussions regarding alternative viaducts to the south or to the north of the current A1 viaduct. Also a housing tunnel instead of the stilt brigdes in Leverkusen is proposed. What do you think about that situation?
A huge waste of money. Tunnels like that have operational costs of € 30 million per year or more.

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- A7 widening (2x3) between Salzgitter and Göttingen (OSM; last 29.2km long gap): The Federal Court of Auditors ("Bundesrechungshof") has asserted that PPP would be more expensive than a conventional construction. The costs would be 12.8 million € higher. The Lower Saxony Ministry of Transport is happy, but the final decision will be made by the Federal Ministry of Transport.
I've read that too. I fail to see how € 12.8 million is significant over a PPP project of maybe 20 - 30 years, especially considering PPP projects are often years faster than government projects, which is also valuable. € 12.8 million really is pocket money on a 30 kilometer widening project, I don't get the fuss about it.

Although I do see a point in the type of contract, many PPP projects are based on the LKW-maut which goes to the concession holder. This type of PPP projects is generally a gold mine for such concessionairs, but not an advantage to the government. It may be better to do a PPP project based on availability payments. That way you can strictly control how much money it's going to cost. The current discussion in the media puts all PPP projects in a bad light.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #5042
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A huge waste of money. Tunnels like that have operational costs of € 30 million per year or more.
Well, the Rhine tunnel is only wishful thinking. The Leverkusen tunnel is more realistic.

The media has also speculated about demolishing the football stadium (BayArena) next to the AK Leverkusen to get more space for the A1.

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I've read that too. I fail to see how € 12.8 million is significant over a PPP project of maybe 20 - 30 years, especially considering PPP projects are often years faster than government projects, which is also valuable. € 12.8 million really is pocket money on a 30 kilometer widening project, I don't get the fuss about it.
I guess they omitted the economical disadvantage.

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The current discussion in the media puts all PPP projects in a bad light.
What media do you mean - worldwide or German only?
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Old June 8th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #5043
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Are there any plans for additional Rhein bridges between Mainz and Koblenz? They should build at least one crossing.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #5044
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Are there any plans for additional Rhein bridges between Mainz and Koblenz? They should build at least one crossing.
The Middle Rhine bridge ("Mittelrheinbrücke"; OSM) was in an early planning phase. The groundbreaking was announced for 2016 in 2010, completion 2018. Costs: 40 millio €. There were also problems with the UNESCO until July 2010. The last info is more than two years old, but there was an election in Rhineland-Palatinate one month later (March 2011) and the Green party bargained that the project was stopped.

A map with the estimated AADT decreases ("Abnahme") and increases ("Zunahme") where you can see the planned location.

(Source: Rhein-Zeitung)
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Old June 9th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #5045
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A video I made of Autobahn A96 between Kreuz Memmingen and the Austrian border:

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Old June 9th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #5046
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Old June 9th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #5047
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What media do you mean - worldwide or German only?
It was reported in the German media that PPP was more expensive. Which puts PPP in a bad light, without informing people about the different types of PPP. Right now it looks like PPP projects are more expensive and "unwirtschaftlich", combined from the usual anti-Autobahn quotes from certain parties.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #5048
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It was reported in the German media that PPP was more expensive. Which puts PPP in a bad light, without informing people about the different types of PPP.
Ok. The stupid Germans only...

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Right now it looks like PPP projects are more expensive and "unwirtschaftlich", combined from the usual anti-Autobahn quotes from certain parties.
That's Germany and a typical NATO mode example: No Action, Talk Only .
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What else to expect on Switzerlands' favourite racing track?
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Old June 10th, 2013, 11:34 AM   #5050
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A1 Bremen - Hamburg

Selected photos from my trip last week. This is the first batch, showing the A1 from Bremen to Hamburg (Dreieck Stuhr - Buchholzer Dreieck). This segment is 94 kilometers long and has 2x3 lanes. The majority (Bremer Kreuz - Buchholzer Dreieck) opened with 2x3 lanes in October 2012.

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Old June 10th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #5051
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Bavarian Priminister and CSU Party leader wants motorway toll in Germany for passenger cars, but only for foreigners. I only found articles in German:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...-Pkw-Maut.html
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Po...uslaender.html
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Populistic bullshit. EU law doesn't allow discrimination of Union citizens based on nationality.
A viable alternative (and the far better concept in general) would be the introduction of a toll together with cutting vehicle taxation.
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If they want more money to fix roads, they should stop funneling ¾ of road-related taxes to the general budget. The German road budget is very low.

Unrelated, does anyone know where this is? It's in Bayern, it's the header from the Innenministerium site. I don't recognize it, but I suspect it may be the B19 near Sonthofen.

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Old June 10th, 2013, 07:31 PM   #5054
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Unrelated, does anyone know where this is? It's in Bayern, it's the header from the Innenministerium site. I don't recognize it, but I suspect it may be the B19 near Sonthofen.
You are right, it's B19, near Waltenhofen, here: http://goo.gl/maps/03yLu
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He's definitely right about that.
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Old June 11th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #5056
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I was driving this Sunday evening on the A14 -> A9 and was being constantly followed by unbeliveable bad weather conditions with huge amounts of rain and lightning, but on A9 between Halle and Dessau entered in never seen before storm with the darkest skies ever seen in my life, has anyone else experienced it?
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A10 Berlin

Autobahndreieck Schwanebeck (A10/A11) in 1953:
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Old June 11th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #5058
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Unrelated, does anyone know where this is? It's in Bayern, it's the header from the Innenministerium site. I don't recognize it, but I suspect it may be the B19 near Sonthofen.

Close. Indeed B19, but near Waltenhofen. This is the railway bridge.
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Old June 11th, 2013, 05:40 PM   #5059
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Bavarian Priminister and CSU Party leader wants motorway toll in Germany for passenger cars, but only for foreigners. I only found articles in German:

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschla...-Pkw-Maut.html
http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Po...uslaender.html
That'll please the Austrian transit traffic between Salzburg and Tirol...
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That'll please the Austrian transit traffic between Salzburg and Tirol...
Austrian just cancelled the Korridorvignette between Switzerland and Germany... kinda ironic.
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