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Old July 6th, 2013, 10:35 PM   #5161
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Have you calculated the approximate length?

btw: The speed limit will be 80km/h.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #5162
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B30 Ravensburg bypass

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The groundbreaking ceremony for the last section of B30 Ravensburg bypass was announced for 3rd July 2013. The Federal government provided 1 million € for 2013 and 2 million € for 2014 through a quickening programm ("Infrastukturbeschleunigungsprogramm II"). There's no prediction for completion. The new 4-laned B30 section between AS Ravensburg-South and AS Karrer will be an "Autobahnähnliche Straße" (yellow Autobahn) and has a length of 3.4km. The 2.2km long 2-laned B467 section between AS Karrer and Obereschach is also part of the project. The total costs are 55 million €. The first plan approval order was passed in 1979. It was challenged and not res judicata. Thus a second procedure started in 2001, and the order was finally passed in December 2005. In the meantime the project was on hold due to missing money. The AADT on the concerned Ravensburg through-road was between 20,000 and 26,000 vehicles per day in 2010. The B30 is an important connection between Ulm and the Lake Constance area, e.g. Friedrichshafen, see OSM.
It happened. The first 2-laned section b/n the future junction AS Karrer and the old B30 south of Untereschach will be opened in 2016 (OSM). The rest will be opened in 2018, see press releases (1 / 2). Total costs: 63 million €. Only 3 million € are secured.

An anecdote: The Baden-Württemberg minister of transport (green party!) arrived the groundbreaking ceremony with a delay of 25 minutes caused by traffic jams on his way from Stuttgart to Ravensburg .
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Old July 6th, 2013, 11:48 PM   #5163
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More news:

- B6n Köthen bypass (OSM): A 600t bridge was moved to its final location over a railway line. Newspaper article with pics and a site with more pics. The 3-laned bypass will be opened in late 2014.

- The plan approval order for the 6.5km long 2-laned eastern B96 Hoyerswerda bypass was passed (OSM). Also a northern bypass of Hoyerswerda is intended.

- The ground breaking for the first phase of the B16/B472 Marktoberdorf bypass will be on Monday 8th July. This first 3km long section is b/n Bertholdshofen and Marktoberdorf-Schillenberg (OSM) and will be completed in late November 2013, see press release. The other phases contain the Bertholdshofen bypass and the connection to the B12/B16 (OSM). Total costs: 28 million €. The plan approval order was passed in March 2011. The Bertholdshofen bypass is challenged by a land owner.

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Last but not least:

- The plan approval order for an upgrade of the district road N4 in Nuremberg was passed, see press release. It's only a district road, but in fact it is part of the Autobahn 73 "Frankenschnellweg" ("Franconia fast way"), see OSM! A 1.8km 2-tubed tunnel will be built. A through road will get 2-lanes in each direction, b/n Fürther Straße and Jansenbrücke a 3rd southbound lane will be added. The project will be implemented by the city of Nuremberg. Total costs: 450 million € (395 million are fund by Bavarian state). Total length: 4.4km. Construction time: 8 years. Layout: > click <. Project page: > click <.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #5164
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MichlH reports are the best Always full of details and with links to maps and documents.

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Now a question: how was the road/Autobahn numbering plan of DDR? Did they keep pre-war numbers? Something new?
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #5165
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MichelH reports are the best Always full of details and with links to maps and documents.
Thanks . But please call me MichiH or Michael, not Michel. I also do not call you Maiden .

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Now a question: how was the road/Autobahn numbering plan of DDR? Did they keep pre-war numbers? Something new?
See ABRobs list: http://www.autobahnen-europa.eu/ges/ddr.htm (does not work, please click on note 3 on wikipedia).

It was only a internal numbering, see German wikipedia.

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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:21 AM   #5166
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I drove from Amberg to Ingolstadt today. I didn't use the classic motorway route, but the B299 most of the way. It's a nice road to drive, pretty landscapes, forests. Very interesting the 120kmh limited part, short 2+2 section and 1+2/2+1. Never seen a road limited to higher then 100 with no median between directions.

GF was in no mood for pictures so no available .
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #5167
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2+1.
2 sections b/n Amberg and Neumarkt were recently upgraded in 2010 (4.3km) and 2012 (3.7km).

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Never seen a road limited to higher then 100 with no median between directions.
The limit on the B286 from Schweinfurt to the A3 is also 120.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #5168
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An anecdote: The Baden-Württemberg minister of transport (green party!) arrived the groundbreaking ceremony with a delay of 25 minutes caused by traffic jams on his way from Stuttgart to Ravensburg .
I got that info from a newspaper article. A present person reported an actually delay of 43 minutes .

btw: The politicans didn't talk about the exact completion date, but they said "completion depends on funding" --> typical German problem.
Well, the next election for the Bundestag (Federal Government and Chancellor) will take place in 2 month...
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Old July 7th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #5169
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Is it true that there is a new 25 bln Euro plan for motorways construction in Germany ? If yes, what are the most possible new motorways to be built.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #5170
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If you accumulate the general road budget over the next couple of years, then it's possible to get € 25 billion.

€ 30 billion was spent in the period from 2001 to 2011 on new or widened Autobahns / Bundesstraße.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #5171
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€ 30 billion was spent in the period from 2001 to 2011 on new or widened Autobahns / Bundesstraße.
How many kilometers of new and widened Autobahns and Bundesstrasse were built during the 2001 to 2011 period?
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Old July 7th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #5172
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Der Bedarfsplan beinhaltet folgende Bauziele (Vordringlicher Bedarf, ab 2001):
– Neubau von 1 900 km Autobahnen,
– Erweiterung von 2 200 km Autobahnen auf 6 oder mehr
Fahrstreifen,
– Aus- und Neubau von 5 500 km Bundesstraßen, darin
enthalten rund 850 Ortsumgehungen.

(...)

Aus dem aktuell gültigen Bedarfsplan für die Bundesfernstraßen 2004 wurden bis Ende 2011 nahezu 40 % der Bedarfsplanmaßnahmen des Vordringlichen Bedarfs mit einem Volumen von rund 30 Mrd. Euro realisiert.
http://www.bmvbs.de/SharedDocs/DE/Ar....html?nn=36114

map: http://www.bmvbs.de/cae/servlet/cont...karten-1-9.pdf

In other words, only 40% of the projects listed as urgent in 2001 were completed by late 2011, at a sum of € 30 billion.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #5173
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Is it true that there is a new 25 bln Euro plan for motorways construction in Germany ? If yes, what are the most possible new motorways to be built.
Nope. Only a new BVWP (Bundesverkehrswegeplan) is planned. This is a rough plan with different categories. It will be valid for the period from 2015 to 2030. I guess it will be approved in 2016. If a project will get into the urgent demand category, it allows to push the planning of the project.

The BVWP is NOT a financing plan! I've not read about the approximate budget. I only know that the Baden-Württemberg wishlist (proposal list) contains projects with costs of 9,4 bln €. The Rhineland-Palatinate wishlist comprises just under 3 bln €. Both states have a green/red government why the new BVWP wishlist was reduced in comparison with the BVWP 2003. Other states like Bavaria again increased the number of projects!

I guess the BVWP 2015 will not contain new Autobahn projects in addition to projects of the current BVWP 2003. This map shows all Autobahn projects of the BVWP 2003: > click < (urgent and further demand).
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Here a map of the final (but still exaggerated) Bavarian proposal list for the BVWP 2015: > click < (legend: lightpink = new road, project was already part of the BVWP 2003; red = new road newly suggested; lime = upgrade of an existing road, project was already part of the BVWP 2003; green = upgrade of an existing road newly suggested). The list was passed with public participation in March 2013.

The A99 southern Munich ring and the B303 b/n A9 and A93 were canceled due to discussion. The upgrade of the B13 b/n Würzburg and Randersacker was canceled due to locally massive refusal.

The following projects were added as result of the public participation:
- upgrade of the A7 b/n AS Illertissen and AS Memmingen-South (congestion, not agreed with Baden-Württemberg),
- B16 upgrade b/n St2043 and A9 (continous 4-laned widening from Neuburg to A9),
- B301 Mainburg bypass (requested by municipality),
- B304 relief tunnel Karlsfeld (requested by municipality),
- B310 relief tunnel Füssen (alternative to bypass),
- B388 Grünbach bypass (requested by municipality),
- B426 Mömlingen bypass (requested by politic),
- B466 Oettingen bypass (wise extenstion),
- B469 6-laned widening b/n A3 (AS Stockstadt) and AB16 (AS Stockstadt) (due to congestion),
- B470 Gremsdorf bypass (instead of B470 Höchstadt bypass)

Further 65 projects were requested but not added.

The next step will be done by the Federal Government after the next election. It was planned to continue with benefit-cost analysis.
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Old July 8th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #5175
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The widening will create havoc, especially the urban stretch south of AD Hamburg-Nordwest. But the end result is worth it.

Unfortunately there aren't any good alternate routes in the Hamburg area other than urban streets. The A1-A21 route is only interesting for long distance traffic but A21 is not completed and works are going on around Nettelsee as well (not to mention the very poor pavement condition south of Bad Segeberg).
The A1->A21->Bad-Segeberg->B205->Neumünster-Süd->A7 is a good bypass for most of the construction works. Even in normal times, I use this route when I go to Hamburg-East. Alternatively, you can continue on the A21->B404 through Kiel and go via A210 Rendsburg back to the A7.

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Next time I'll go up to Denmark I want to try the A23-B77 route via Itzehoe - Rendsburg. So far I've only driven B77 from Rendsburg to Schleswig.
It is a good link between Rendsburg and Itzehoe, 2+2 road just south of Rendsburg. But there is no bypass for Itzehoe and driving through this town simply takes AGES!

I hope that the A20 has a chance to be continued all the way down across the Elbe river.

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B4 appears like a good alternate route to A7 because it's straight, but it goes through a number of towns and ends rather unfortunate in the middle of Bad Bramsted (B4 goes through the center of town).
B4 used to be the main link to Denmark before the A7 was built. It used to continue north of Bad Bramstedt via Neumünster to Kiel, but that part was downgraded long ago.
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Controlled demolition of the old Sinntalbrücke on the A7 (near Bad Brückenau / Bavaria).
Did I look right? Is the new Sinntalbrücke only a 2+2 road?

Are there no plans of widening the A7 to 3+3 ever?
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Did I look right? Is the new Sinntalbrücke only a 2+2 road?
Are there no plans of widening the A7 to 3+3 ever?
No. The AADT is very low (< 40,000 vehicles/day in 2010).
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The following step is the Wünnenberg bypass (see OSM). It is planned to start construction in 2013. The bypass will be equipped with 3 lanes. The B480 to the interchange with A33 and A44 is already grade-separated.
Groundbreaking cerenony will be on 11th September 2013.
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The Bad Wünnenberg bypass will also feature a nice viaduct across the valley.
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Old July 9th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #5180
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The following projects were added as result of the public participation
A majority of them is not for car traffic but for inhabitants having rest. A very usual situation, nonetheless.
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