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Old January 5th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #501
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LPG is said to be the most environment-friendly, however the fuel consumption is much higher than a diesel car, and after about 200.000 kilometers, your car is about done, diesel engines last much longer, and the maintenance is more expensive with LPG. My dad drives LPG, but he said never again.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 03:17 PM   #502
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LPG is said to be the most environment-friendly, however the fuel consumption is much higher than a diesel car, and after about 200.000 kilometers, your car is about done, diesel engines last much longer, and the maintenance is more expensive with LPG. My dad drives LPG, but he said never again.
Isn't there also an issue of supply of LPG fuel in certain countries? I can't recall seeing ANY LPG in the UK at all though (other than natural gas buses). LPG is present at most petrol stations in New Zealand though.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 03:20 PM   #503
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I differs from country to country, in the Netherlands and France, it's widely distributed, but poor in Germany and Spain and so on.

In the Netherlands, LPG fuel stations are not allowed in urban areas.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 03:25 PM   #504
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LPG is said to be the most environment-friendly, however the fuel consumption is much higher than a diesel car, and after about 200.000 kilometers, your car is about done, diesel engines last much longer, and the maintenance is more expensive with LPG. My dad drives LPG, but he said never again.
Yes, I know it very well. I think next will be nice turbo-diesel.

But try to imagine what my wallet feels when it's only half of price of gasoline

It's not a new car, so I can survive it by now.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 03:49 PM   #505
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Yeah i know what you are talking about, you have a full tank of gas for € 25.

But the taxes for owning a LPG-car are very high in the Netherlands, even higher than Diesel.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #506
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To say it exactly: In Germany, there is no general speed limit for all roads that are build like Autobahnen (2x2 or better) unless signs say something else. Therefore, on a Gelbe Autobahn is the same situation than on a normal Autobahn.
Are you sure? A gelbe Autobahn is still a Bundesstrasse just with more lanes. There can be traffic lights and all kind of stuff on it. I always assumed its 100km\h unless otherwise stated.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:19 PM   #507
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That was my assumption as well, after all, "Gelbe Autobahnen" aren't really equipped with the Autobahn sign, which is a precondition to be allowed to drive as fast as you wish.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:31 PM   #508
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hm...i have never seen a traffic light on a four-laned bundesstraße with this sign: (btw: i don't call it gelbe autobahn in everyday language, i say schnellstraße)

or i haven`t seen a traffic light unless this sign comes:


ps: and after reading a wikipedia-article, a schnellstraße is a autobahn-like bundesstraße with no general speed limit, but kraftfahrstraßen (the signs i posted above are referring to them) with one lane per dir have a 100km/h limit, with two or more lanes and separated carriageways (>schnellstraße), they are generally unlimited unless signs say something different. sometimes, even landstraßen are autobahn-like (L3004 in frankfurt and L124 in köln)
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Old January 8th, 2008, 12:33 AM   #509
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I wouldn't believe Wikipedia too much; I think roads equipped with the above sign, have a general speed limit of 100 km/h.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 01:47 AM   #510
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ok, let's take a look in the Straßenverkehrsordnung ("traffic rules")

http://www.verkehrsportal.de/stvo/stvo_03.php
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§3 Geschwindigkeit

(3)
Die zulässige Höchstgeschwindigkeit beträgt auch unter günstigsten Umständen
- 1. innerhalb geschlossener Ortschaften für alle Kraftfahrzeuge ... 50 km/h,
- 2. außerhalb geschlossener Ortschaften
- - 1. für Kraftfahrzeuge mit einem zulässigen Gesamtgewicht über 3,5 t bis 7,5 t, ausgenommen Personenkraftwagen, für Personenkraftwagen mit Anhänger, für Lastkraftwagen und Wohnmobile jeweils bis zu einem zulässigen Gesamtgewicht von 3,5 t mit Anhänger sowie für Kraftomnibusse, auch mit Gepäckanhänger ... 80 km/h,
- - 2. für Kraftfahrzeuge mit einem zulässigen Gesamtgewicht über 7,5 t, für alle Kraftfahrzeuge mit Anhänger, ausgenommen Personenkraftwagen, Lastkraftwagen und Wohnmobile jeweils bis zu einem zulässigen Gesamtgewicht von 3,5 t, sowie für Kraftomnibusse mit Fahrgästen, für die keine Sitzplätze mehr zur Verfügung stehen, ... 60 km/h,
- - 3. für Personenkraftwagen sowie für andere Kraftfahrzeuge mit einem zulässigen Gesamtgewicht bis 3,5 t ... 100km/h.

Diese Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung gilt nicht auf Autobahnen (Zeichen 330) sowie auf anderen Straßen mit Fahrbahnen für eine Richtung, die durch Mittelstreifen oder sonstige bauliche Einrichtungen getrennt sind. Sie gilt ferner nicht auf Straßen, die mindestens zwei durch Fahrstreifenbegrenzung (Zeichen 295) oder durch Leitlinien (Zeichen 340) markierte Fahrstreifen für jede Richtung haben.

the bold part says, that speed limits also don't count other divided roads, not just the real Autobahnen.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 01:57 AM   #511
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^ Interesting. But then they should make a distinction on the general speed-limit sign with another category: (at least) 4-lane roads outside built-up areas, like in Poland.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 02:13 AM   #512
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not a bad idea

btw: I took some pictures of the Schnellstraßen around Koblenz/Neuwied/Andernach, limited to 50/70/100/120 because the roads are near built-up areas

B9 northbound


all pics here and here

B9 southbound


all pics here and here

B256 westbound

all pics here

B256 eastbound

all pics here

Thanks go to the owner of the Autobahnatlas for hosting them

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Old January 8th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #513
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Diese Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung gilt nicht auf Autobahnen (Zeichen 330) sowie auf anderen Straßen mit Fahrbahnen für eine Richtung, die durch Mittelstreifen oder sonstige bauliche Einrichtungen getrennt sind.
This speed limitations doesn't apply on Autobahnen (sign 330) and also on other roads with lanes per direction separated by a median or other constructions (barriers).
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Old January 8th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #514
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Diese Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung gilt nicht auf Autobahnen (Zeichen 330) sowie auf anderen Straßen mit Fahrbahnen für eine Richtung, die durch Mittelstreifen oder sonstige bauliche Einrichtungen getrennt sind.
So in theory, a 1+1 or 2+1 road with a barrier has no speed limit either? Cool.
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Old January 9th, 2008, 02:55 PM   #515
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Yep. But I don't think you would find too much of them without speed limit signs.

2+2 Bundesstraßen are actually not that uncommon, e. g. in the north and south of Augsburg you can go on the B 17 and B 2 for perhaps 80km on them (thats the longest stretch I know).
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Old January 9th, 2008, 02:58 PM   #516
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What about the Bundesstraße from Harzburg to Bernburg? (B5n or A36 or something?)
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Old January 10th, 2008, 09:34 AM   #517
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Erbse[IMG]http://i16.************/89i5coj.gif[/IMG]loves ze German Autobahns!

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It's funky baby!
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Are you sure the last two are not Photoshopped?
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:07 AM   #518
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schnellstraße
What's the name of this letter "ß" and how do you pronounce it? I think it sounds like a "B" and if it does, what's the difference?
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #519
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It's the same as ss

Gießen -> Giessen for instance.
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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #520
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Are you sure the last two are not Photoshopped?
Nope. Except that last one is from SE Asia.
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