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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:25 PM   #5201
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Old July 20th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #5202
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Drove for the first time on gravel in Germany since 1,5 years here.
The St2220 towards West Abenberg
I think it's in renovation, it's limited to 40kmh because of flying gravel.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 12:14 AM   #5203
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Last German expressway video for now, I'm back in Spain . It's B31 through Freiburg im Breisgau.



There's very high traffic on this road, but the planned Freiburg Stadttunnel will take some time.

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I hate that Autobahn! The traffic density is too high - especially during rush hour -, the number of Mittelspurschleicher (I don't know the English word) is very high and the fixed 120 speed limit is annoying even outside rush hour.
The last problem could be fixed after the traffic control system will be in operation on the A81 b/n Mundelsheim and Leonberg as of November 2013. The traffic control system is still in operation on the A8 b/n Leonberg and Wendlingen.

Some upgrades are planned for the A8 and the A81:
- 2x4 A8 widening b/n Leonberg and Wendlingen (already part of the BVWP 2003, but further demand; 33.1km; 147 million €)
- 2x4 A81 widening b/n Pleidelsheim and Zuffenhausen (suggested for BVWP 2015; 13.4km; 135 million €)
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Will they consider removing the 120 km/h speed limit occasionally when the traffic management system is ready?
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Old July 21st, 2013, 12:41 AM   #5204
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It's B31 through Freiburg im Breisgau.



There's very high traffic on this road, but the planned Freiburg Stadttunnel will take some time.
The entire section shown on the video is planned to be renamed to Autobahn A860 after completion of the city tunnel (maybe in 20 years plus x; costs: about 300 million € - last increase of 40 million € was announced last week). Also an eastern 4-laned extension is planned with three further expensive tunnel (more than 400 million €). The 3-laned Kirchzarten bypass shall also get a 2nd carriageway (2.8 million €).

You made one slight mistake within the video description. The A86 "Schwarzwaldautobahn" was planned north of Freiburg not through the city on B31 route! But there were several variants. The Autobahn variant through the city was called A860 - like the recent plan.

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Will they consider removing the 120 km/h speed limit occasionally when the traffic management system is ready?
The speed limit was removed on the A8, but the residents had protested and it was launched again. I read that the final decision for the A81 was not yet made. I guess it will remain near Ludwigsburg and through the Engelbergtunnel of course.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 12:07 PM   #5205
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B29 Waiblingen - Aalen

The B29 Schwäbisch Gmünd bypass (OSM) will be opened in late November 2013. This last 2.6km long section was started in August 2006 (plan approval order was passed in March 1997) and contains a 2.230km long tunnel.

There was an internet vote finding a name for the tunnel. The winner was "Bud-Spencer-Tunnel" but the officials did not agree and now it is called "Gmünder Einhorntunnel". It has only a 2-laned tube because the predicted AADT 2015 in the tunnel is 19,600 vehicles per day. Therefore no need for a second tube, but it features a emergency tunnel. Costs: 280 million €, see project page. I guess a full second tube would not have significant higher costs.

Well, the 4-laned B29 ends west of the tunnel. The today's B29 is the former A87. It is planned to widen the B29 up to west of Aalen, but there are no plans for a 2nd tube in Schwäbisch Gmünd and it is not planned to upgrade the Aalen bypass up to the A7 (only a short stretch north of Aalen will be widened to 2x2 (< 5 million €; OSM) and a southeren bypass - the so-called Ebnater Steige (23.7 million €; OSM) - is planned since many years). The western 4-laned extension (North-East-Ring Stuttgart; OSM) is still part of the federal plan (BVWP) but the state of Baden-Württemberg will not suggest the project for the new BVWP.

List of projects b/n Schwäbisch Gmünd and Aalen (urgent demand):

- 2nd carriageway Schwäbisch Gmünd – Hussendorf (2.3km; 18.9 million €; OSM). Planning is in progess.
- 2nd carriageway Hussendorf Böbingen (4.1km; 26.2 million €; OSM). Planning is in progess.
- 2nd carriageway Böbingen Mögglingen (3.3km; 18.0 million €; OSM). Planning is in progess.
- 4-laned Mögglingen bypass (6.9km; 66.9 million €; OSM). The plan approval order was passed in September 1999. Preliminary works have took place. Ground-breaking will be in 2017 or later. The Green Baden-Württemberg Minister of Transport is now checking if a reduction of the number of lanes would decrease the costs.
- 2nd carriageway Essingen Aalen (3.5km; 34.7 million €; OSM). The plan approval order was passed in December 2002. Prliminary works (1 overpass) were started in March 2013. Costs: 1.4 million €.

B29 AADT 2010 (green = 4-laned, magenta = 4-laned upgrade planned):

Waiblingen (B 14) – Remshalden (K 1866) 54700 / 2954 (5,4%)
Remshalden (K 1866) – Winterbach (L 1150) 50100 / 2906 (5,8%)
Winterbach (L 1150) – Haubersbronn (L 1150) 40800 / 2244 (5,5%)
Haubersbronn (L1150) – Waldhausen (K 3272) 32700 / 1831 (5,6%)
Lorch (K 3272) – Lorch (B 297) 24800 / 1339 (5,4%)
Lorch (B 297) – Schwäbisch Gmünd (K 3268) 26300 / 1867 (7,1%)
Schwäbisch Gmünd (K 3268) – Schwäbisch Gmünd (L1075) 22600 / 2057 (9,1%)
Auf- und Abfahrt Schwäbisch Gmünd – Schwäbisch Gmünd (B 298) 22800 / 1687 (7,4%)
Schwäbisch Gmünd (B 298) – Schwäbisch Gmünd (L 1075) 19700 / 1517 (7,7%)
Schwäbisch Gmünd (L 1075) – Iggingen (K 3267) 14300 / 1430 (10%)
Iggingen (K 3267) – Mögglingen (L 1158) 15600 / 1544 (9,9%)
Mögglingen (L 1158) – Essingen (L 1080) 19800 / 2079 (10,5%)
Essingen (L 1080) – Aalener Dreieck (B 19) 31100 / 2612 (8,4%)
Aalener Dreieck (B 19) – Ende Rommbachtunnel (K 3284) 19700 / 2147 (10,9%)
Ende Rommbachtunnel (K 3284) – Anschluss Affalterried (K 3325) 18900 / 1852 (9,8%)
Anschluss Affalterried (K 3325) – Oberalfingen (L 1029) 17300 / 1990 (11,5%)
Oberalfingen (L 1029) – Westhausen (B 290) 28100 / 2389 (8,5%)
Westhausen (B 290) – AS Aalen/Westhausen (A 7) 20700 / 2215 (10,7%)

The AADT east of the A7 is lower:

AS Aalen/Westhausen (A 7) – Lauchheim (K 3318) 10900 / 1199 (11%)
Lauchheim (K 3318) – Bopfingen, Oberdorf (L 1070) 10100 / 1111 (11%)
Aufhausen (K 3298) – Flochberg (K 3300) 15600 / 1373 (8,8%)
Bopfingen (L 1070) – Nördlingen 8700 / 1027 (11,8%)
BAG westl. Nördlingen – Baldingen, Kreisverkehr (B 25) 8200 / 976 (11,9%)
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Old July 21st, 2013, 12:16 PM   #5206
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7+ years of construction of a 2.2 km single tube tunnel that costs € 280 million with a forecasted 2015 volume of almost 20.000 vehicles per day? Wow.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 02:09 PM   #5207
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The entire section shown on the video is planned to be renamed to Autobahn A860 after completion of the city tunnel (maybe in 20 years plus x; costs: about 300 million € - last increase of 40 million € was announced last week). Also an eastern 4-laned extension is planned with three further expensive tunnel (more than 400 million €). The 3-laned Kirchzarten bypass shall also get a 2nd carriageway (2.8 million €).

You made one slight mistake within the video description. The A86 "Schwarzwaldautobahn" was planned north of Freiburg not through the city on B31 route! But there were several variants. The Autobahn variant through the city was called A860 - like the recent plan.
Thanks for the correction. I'll try to fix it some way.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 03:24 PM   #5208
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The section from AS Colbitz to AS Wolmirstedt is already under construction since November 2011 (5.7km; 49 million €). The completion will be end of 2014.
The A14 Colbitz bypass will be completed in October 2014.

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The plan approval order for the new 4-laned B75 from AS Hamburg-Georgswerder to AS Hamburg-Wilhelmsburg-South (OSM) was passed this week, see press release. It has a length of 4.8km. Costs: 136.6 million €. Time for completion: 4 years. The plan approval procedure was started in early 2011. Complaints by NIMBYs are most likely.
The plan approval order for the new Wilhelmsburger Reichsstraße is challenged by a complainer alliance of 200 members.

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The groundbreaking ceremony for the B249 Frieda bypass will be on 28th June (OSM; 2.2km; 5-6 million €; plan approval order: December 2010; complaints was canceled; project page).
The groundbreaking ceremony for the B249 Frieda bypass was delayed. It was happened on 17th July 2013. It will be completed in late 2015. The AADT in the village is about 9,000 vehicles per day (650 trucks). The predicted AADT for 2020 specifies 12,400 vehicles thereof 1,500 trucks on the new road. Costs: 5.7 million € (see press release).


The 2nd section of the so-called B255 "Niederahr-Ettinghausen-Hahner Kreuz" bypass will be opened in October 2013 (OSM). The works started in July 2007, the first 1.4km section was already opened in April 2012 (OSM), the 3rd section will be opened in 2015 (OSM). Both section 2 and 3 have a total length of 4.3km. Also the completed 1.7km long B8 Hahn bypass is part of the project (OSM). Total costs: 38 million €.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 02:46 AM   #5209
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As you might know there are massive problems with autobahn bridges in (West-) Germany which were built in the 1960s and 1970s. Many of them can´t be repaired because of their poor quality and disastrous condition and must be replaced with totally new ones.
The A45 is especially affected because this autobahn runs on the highest number of tall bridges of any autobahn in Germany (therefore the term "Queen of autobahns").




Bridge replacement/modernisation programme for the A45:

-Lennetalbrücke (city of Hagen): Replacement by new bridge (2013 ~ 2017)

-Talbrücke Brunsbecke (near Hagen): Replacement by new bridge (2015 ~ 2019)

-Talbrücke Kattenohl: Replacement by new bridge (2015 ~ 2019)

-Talbrücke Rinsdorf (Siegen): Replacement by new bridge (2015 ~ 2019)

-Talbrücke Rahmede (Lüdenscheid): Intensive modernization (2013 - ???)

-Talbrücke Siegtal (Siegen): Intensive modernization (2014 - ???)

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Is there an English word for "Talbrücke" other than "bridge"?


Some pictures of the planned replacement of the old Lennetalbrücke:

Old bridge:
Lanes: (see picture below)
Direction Frankfurt: 3 (no hard shoulder)
Direction Dortmund: 2 (with hard shoulder)
Length: 989,9 m
Completed: 1967

New bridge:
Lanes: 2x3 with hard shoulders in both directions
Length: 979,50 m
Construction time: September 2013 ~ 2017
Cost: 115 million €uro

Lennetalbrücke: Current situation.


Old bridge from below.


New bridges (one for each direction).



Phase 01:
Right: old bridge
Left: new temporary bridge with final superstructure of the future western bridge



Phase 02 and 03:
Demolition of the old bridge. Construction of new pillars for both new bridges (one for each direction) and the superstructure for the eastern bridge.



Phase 04:
Second superstructure is pushed from the temporary bridge on the pillars of the new western bridge.



Phase 05:
Demolition of the pillars of the temporary bridge.


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Old July 22nd, 2013, 04:30 AM   #5210
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Is there an English word for "Talbrücke" other than "bridge"?
google Translate gives me Viaduct and Valley Bridge, the second one sounds kinda weird, but the first one seems like a good one to me.

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There isn't an equivalent in English for Talbrücke. One cold translate "tall viaduct" to designate bridges that span over a water course but also a lot of land on a valley.

It is a neat term, indeed. In English "bridge" is too much generic.
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I'd go with viaduct.

In Italian, and I'd say in English too, the difference between Bridge and Viaduct is that the latter crosses over different natural elements (land+river+land), and usually* has several spans.
*not always: you can have the case of an arch Talbrücke which covers the valley with a single span.

In common use tall motorway bridges are always defined viaducts.
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"Tal" means "valley", not "tall/high", so "Talbrücke" should designate a viaduct or bridge over a valley.
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I think "valley viaduct" would be the best translation, even though the term is not really common usage in English. Viaducts and bridges are often mixed into the same thing, and its use varies by country. In the Netherlands, a bridge spans a water mass (including rivers) and a viaduct spans land (for example an overpass across a motorway). It depends on the setting. The Viaduc de Millau does span a small river, but its main function is to span a valley, that's why it's called a viaduc and not a pont.
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"Tal" means "valley", not "tall/high", so "Talbrücke" should designate a viaduct or bridge over a valley.
Explain it to the Dutch friends, which may not be confident with the concept of "valley"...

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i have traveled on A45 recently from Olpe to Frankfurt. it's quite annoying to drive on such motorway between the hills and quite hard terrain, but no tunnels at all. i miss them somehow.
that's why i find Austrian A2 between Graz and Wien also annoying
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As you might know there are massive problems with autobahn bridges in (West-) Germany which were built in the 1960s and 1970s.
I am not interested in renovation projects, but...

An official report concerning the German Autobahn bridges (April 2011): > click <.

"Most of the total of 38,782 bridges in the network of trunk roads (Autobahns and B roads) were built in the years 1965 until 1979... Total area: 29.643sqm... Total length: 2.058km... Age structure is shown on page 2... 6.5% 2000-2004... 16.2% 1970-1974... 1.5% 1935-1939... 0.2% < 1899... 70% prestressed concrete... 17.5% concrete... 6.1% steel... 5.8% bond... 0.6% stone... 0.1% wood... About 14% of the total bridge area have a not to be delayed need for action (unaufschiebbar!)... Speed limits caused by bad bridge condition: None in HB, HH, NI, NW, RP, SN, ST SH and TH... HB, BW and BY unknown... BE and BB each with 1... MV 2... SL 3... Hesse 46..."

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Bridge replacement/modernisation programme for the A45:


Your A45 list is very short because you forgot the 22 Hesse viaducts, see project page: > click < .

There are 22 viaducts on the A45 b/n the border Hesse / Rhine-Westphalia and Gambach interchange. 18 viaducts must be replaced by new buildings in the next few years. Prior to the renovation activities a lot of the mentioned viaducts must be reinforced, because the existing buildings are no match for the traffic volumes of the next few years.
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i have traveled on A45 recently from Olpe to Frankfurt. it's quite annoying to drive on such motorway between the hills and quite hard terrain, but no tunnels at all
The A45 was one of the greatest Autobahns I've ever driven! Only the current constructions and its speed limits are annoying! The A7 near Kassel is also amazing. I am looking forward driving there tomorrow , but I am in two minds: shall I drive on the A45 or on the A7? The A45 route is a little bit longer but the lot of constructions on the A7 are annoying...
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google Translate gives me Viaduct and Valley Bridge, the second one sounds kinda weird, but the first one seems like a good one to me.

Thanks for the info btw!

No problem, bro! It´s always a pleasure to privide my fellow SSC brothers with autobahn news from Germany!
I asked for a better English word for "Talbrücke" than simply "bridge" to underline that these old bridges which will be replaced on the A45 are REALLY big. These construction sites will be impressive.


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Your A45 list is very short because you forgot the 22 Hesse viaducts, see project page: > click < .

[...]

I come from Lüdenscheid in NRW so my interest is focused on that part of the A45. Who cares about Hesse?

BTW: The whole bridge replacement programme on the A45 will take about 20 years!
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