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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #5281
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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:53 AM   #5282
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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #5283
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Old August 1st, 2013, 01:25 AM   #5284
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If this would represent how the average american experiences driving in Germany, I'd say: god bless the germans.

Are americans even allowed to drive here in europe with only an american driving license?
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No surprise, he's from the States. he's used to crappy highways...
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The German Autobahn isn´t a myth - it´s a worldwide known LEGEND!

Tom Hanks fascinated by ze Autobahn! (0:40 - 6:00)
I hope you guys realize that it is a comedy show and he is an actor.

I'm pointing it it just to make sure. At the end of day sense of humor is not the strongest point of Germany.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 10:23 AM   #5285
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Old August 4th, 2013, 04:02 AM   #5286
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I don't know, but a "hard" speed limit of 130 km/h would be best also for German autobahns.

Yesterday, this happened on A 95 / A 952 at Starnberg near Munich:

http://www.merkur-online.de/lokales/...m-3040140.html

The driver of a Porsche drove about 280 km/h at the junction at Starnberg, lost control in a curve and pushed a Toyota off the lane. The woman in the Toyota has dies in hospital, the 51 yeer old driver and another person in the Porsche have been seriosly injured.

On Thursday, I was driving on A 46 from Mönchengladbach to Heinsberg, when I wanted to overtake some trucks. I was doing a good 130, checked the mirror twice, also put a look over the shoulder (after a dead-angle-near-crash when I was a beginner 20 years ago I always do that). Traffic was not dense at all, the line was free as far as I could see, so I pulled over to the left. Seconds later I saw the headlights of a Volvo in the mirror, closing in fast. He obviously thought that I didn't belong on the left lane, doing only 130. He blinked and swiveled very nervously behind me, until I was able to use the right lane again -- after unbelievable 30 seconds or so, the time it takes to overkake two trucks with 40 to 50 km/h speed difference.

Maybe such a**holes wouldn't be stopped by a speed limit, but I still would feel safer.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 08:17 AM   #5287
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I don't know, but a "hard" speed limit of 130 km/h would be best also for German autobahns.

Yesterday, this happened on A 95 / A 952 at Starnberg near Munich:

http://www.merkur-online.de/lokales/...m-3040140.html

The driver of a Porsche drove about 280 km/h at the junction at Starnberg, lost control in a curve and pushed a Toyota off the lane. The woman in the Toyota has dies in hospital, the 51 yeer old driver and another person in the Porsche have been seriosly injured.
An accident at 280 km/h does not justify a speed limit of 130 km/h. It's completely out of proportion. Second, the Porsche driver should spend some time in prison for manslaughter and never, ever be allowed to drive again.

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On Thursday, I was driving on A 46 from Mönchengladbach to Heinsberg, when I wanted to overtake some trucks. I was doing a good 130, checked the mirror twice, also put a look over the shoulder (after a dead-angle-near-crash when I was a beginner 20 years ago I always do that). Traffic was not dense at all, the line was free as far as I could see, so I pulled over to the left. Seconds later I saw the headlights of a Volvo in the mirror, closing in fast. He obviously thought that I didn't belong on the left lane, doing only 130. He blinked and swiveled very nervously behind me, until I was able to use the right lane again -- after unbelievable 30 seconds or so, the time it takes to overkake two trucks with 40 to 50 km/h speed difference.

Maybe such a**holes wouldn't be stopped by a speed limit, but I still would feel safer.
Either 1) you should have overtaken at a more reasonable overtaking speed of 150 or 160 km/h or 2) you should have moved in between the two trucks after you saw that you were obstructing traffic or 3) waited until you could see a greater distance behind you. 30 seconds is way too long to be obstructing the overtaking lane. When I'm overtaking, my own rule is to never obstruct a faster vehicle for more than 3-5 seconds.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 08:25 AM   #5288
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30 seconds is never to long to obstruct an overtaking lane if you're genuinely overtaking. I don't agree with any of your points. When the overtaking lane is clear, you have the right to overtake at any speed for as long as it takes. After overtaking you move back to the inside. That's how it works. Don't let any impatient **** force you to manoeuvre in between lorries when you're genuinely overtaking...

It's not a crime to be overtaking at 130 kph.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #5289
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If someone chooses to drive substantially faster than the crowd, then it's his problem dealing with cars driving a normal speed, not yours. As long as you don't go to the left lane at the very last moment, you are free to pass any truck.
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It's not a crime to be overtaking at 130 kph.
Nor is anything the Volvo driver did a crime. There is a big difference between inconsiderate and criminal. On the other hand, the Porsche driver did commit a crime -- with the laws as they are today.
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... or any other vehicle for that matter...
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Old August 4th, 2013, 09:04 AM   #5292
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Nor is anything the Volvo driver did a crime. There is a big difference between inconsiderate and criminal. On the other hand, the Porsche driver did commit a crime -- with the laws as they are today.
The Volvo driver has committed an offence. It's aggressive behaviour. He should have kept his distance and let the author of the post in question do his overtaking until there's nothing left to overtake.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 09:10 AM   #5293
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The Volvo driver has committed an offence. It's aggressive behaviour. He should have kept his distance and let the author of the post in question do his overtaking until there's nothing left to overtake.
... IF (a very big IF) the Volvo driver was in law following too closely, which I don't believe has been established.
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... IF (a very big IF) the Volvo driver was in law following too closely, which I don't believe has been established.
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Seconds later I saw the headlights of a Volvo in the mirror, closing in fast. He obviously thought that I didn't belong on the left lane, doing only 130. He blinked and swiveled very nervously behind me,
Now that is aggressive behaviour.
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Now that is aggressive behaviour.
What constitutes aggressive behavior in your opinion (or mine) is not necessarily the same as what constitutes aggressive behavior in criminal law. You are very quick to accuse others of crime, when no court has made that determination.
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In Germany it's a punishable offence to stick your middle finger up to someone in traffic. Swerving aggressively behind someone, continuously flashing your lights can cause a panic reaction, which is a recipe for a potential accident. It's not my own interpretation, it is in fact the law.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #5297
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Nor is anything the Volvo driver did a crime.
Tailgating definitely is an offense in Germany. And judging by Alqaszar's comments, he was definitely far too close for comfort.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #5298
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Whether someone is tailgating or not is not defined in law by the comfort level of other drivers. Making other drivers uncomfortable is inconsiderate, but may or may not be legal depending on factors which are not in evidence here.
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Old August 4th, 2013, 11:24 AM   #5299
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The point is that if the Volvo is right behind you (which was the case if Alqaszar's account is anything to go by...and I'm sure most other drivers have been in a similar situation on the Autobahn since those nuts don't really keep a safe distance) then he is definitely tailgating, it's as simple as that.
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Exactly.
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