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Old August 18th, 2013, 10:58 AM   #5441
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When and to where will they exactly extend A100 to Treptow and the other side of the river?
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Old August 18th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #5442
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It is also planned to widen the A7 to 4 lanes in each direction from AD Kassel-Ost to AD Kassel-Süd where the A44 branches to Dortmund/Ruhr. Preliminary works are in progress.
The preliminary works are noise protection walls for 40 million €. The section has a length of 6.2km (OSM). The total costs are 92 million €. Further preliminary works for a bridge within the AK Kassel-Mitte have started on 31th July 2013 (2.5 million €). The bridge will be completed until late 2014.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #5443
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A98 Hochrheinautobahn

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The routes for the future A98 section 6 from Wehr to Murg are still in discussion (OSM): http://buergerforum-hochrhein.de/.

Simulation pics: > click <.
Simulation video: > click <.
New simulation: > click <.

Citizens' groups and politicians are currently discussing about tunnels near Karsau and Minseln within section 5 (OSM). Long tunnel, short tunnel, gallery,... see newspaper article.

The Baden-Württemberg Transport Minister (green party) has lately suggested to plan a B road with one carrigeway instead of an Autobahn. He argues that a B road is cheaper and can be built earlier.
According to the BVWP 2003 a Autobahn is planned, but only one carrigeway will be built with advance ("Vorleistung", I don't know the EN word) for a 2nd carrigeway.

I think the head of the Waldshut district ("Landrat") has the right feeling. A new planning for a B road will start at zero. The new BVWP 2015 shall prefer Autobahns (70% of budget) compared to B roads (30%). There will be a better chance to get funding for an Autobahn instead of a B road. See newspaper article.

AADT 2010 on current roads:
B316 OD Degerfelden, Eichseler Straße (L 139) – OD Rheinfelden (Baden), Basler Straße (B 34) 19000 / 1349 (7,1%)
B34 AS Rheinfelden-Süd (A 861) – Beuggen (L 143) 7200 / 274 (3,8%)
B34 Rheinfelden (B 316) – Wehr (B 518) 12300 / 1193 (9,7%)
B34 Wehr (B 518) – Bad Säckingen (B 518) (Rich. Zoll) 18800 / 1448 (7,7%)
B34 Brennet (B 518) – Murg, Harpolingen (K 6541) 22700 / 1884 (8,3%)
B34 Bad Säckingen, Konz (L 152) – Albert (K 6542) 14500 / 1262 (8,7%)
B34 Bad Säckingen, Konz (L 152) – Murg, Harpolingen (K 6541) 16500 / 1370 (8,3%)
A98 AS Laufenburg (L 151a) – AS Luttingen (K 6542) 10500 / 956 (9,1%)
B34 Laufenburg (Baden) (K 6542) – Waldshut-Tiengen (B 500) 12400 / 1277 (10,3%)
B34 Waldshut-Tiengen (B 500) – Waldshut-Tiengen (L 161) 21800 / 1504 (6,9%)
B34 Waldshut-Tiengen (L 161) – AS Tiengen-West (A 98) 24800 / 1860 (7,5%)
A98 AS Tiengen-West – AS Lauchringen 9500 / 1169 (12,3%)
B34 Lauchringen (L 160) – Lauchringen (B 314) 13900 / 514 (3,7%)
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Old August 18th, 2013, 12:37 PM   #5444
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B49 Limburg - Wetzlar

The B49 is an important west-east connection in Hesse. It connects the A3 with the A45/A5 near Gießen (OSM).

The B49 b/n Limburg and Wetzlar has only one carrigeway with 2 lanes. It is upgraded now to 4 lanes (and mostly hard shoulders). That means that a 2nd carriageway is built next to the current one, and the latter will be renewed. See project page.

- Section 1.1 from AS Ahlbach (B54) to AS Obertiefenbach was opened in 2007 (OSM; ~2km).
- Section 1.2 (Obertiefenbach bypass) is upgraded since September 2008 (OSM; ~2km).
- Section 2 from Obertiefenbach to Deponie Beselich was opened on 15th August 2013 (see press release). This "big" section has a length of 900m! The works have started in May 2011 (OSM).
- Section 3 from Deponie Beselich to Beselich/Merenberg is u/c. The B49 is getting a new route thus 2 carriageways are built. Construction time: May 2011 to late 2016 (OSM; 3.4km). The groundbreaking ceremony for section 2 and 3 has happened in October 2009, but the complains were rejected not till February 2011.
- The works for section 4 and 5 from Beselich/Merenberg to Merenberg/Allendorf-East had started in 2008 and were completed in December 2012 (OSM; 3.1km). The common plan approval order was passed in May 2007.
- Section 6 was already opened in December 2006 (OSM; ~4.5km).
- The plan approval procedure for section 7 from Löhnberg to Biskirchen is announced to be started in 2013 (OSM; 3.2km).
- The plan approval order for section 8 from Biskirchen to Braunfeld/Tiefenbach is announced to be passed in 2013 (OSM; 3.2km).
- The plan approval order for section 9 from Braunfels/Tiefenbach to Leun is announced be passed in 2013 (OSM; 2.1km).
- The plan approval order for section 10 from Leun to Solms is announced to be passed at earliest in 2014 (OSM; 4.5km).
- The plan approval order for section 11 from Solms – AS Oberbiel-East was passed in September 2008. The construction has officially started in May 2010, but w/o real advance. The section is announced to be completed in spring 2015 (OSM; 3.2km).
- The construction of section 12 from AS Oberbiel-East to Wetzlar-Dalheim was started in 2006 and completed in February 2010 (OSM; 2.1km).
- Section 13 (Einhausung Wetzlar) is in service since 2003 (OSM).


AADT 2010 Limburg - Wetzlar - Gießen (source; magenta = 2-laned):

AS Limburg-Nord (A 3) – AS Limburg-Offheim (K 473) 30100 / 3191 (10,6%)
AS Limburg-Offheim (K 473) – AS Limburg-Ahlbach/Runkel-Dehrn (L 3063) 29200 / 2716 (9,3%)
AS Limburg-Ahlbach/Runkel-Dehrn (L 3063) – AS Hadamar (B 54) 31200 / 3494 (11,2%)
AS Hadamar (B 54) – AS Beselich-Obertiefenbach-Süd (K 459) 18400 / 2006 (10,9%)
AS Beselich-Obertiefenbach-Süd (K 459) – AS Beselich-Obertiefenbach-West (L 3022) 21300 / 2577 (12,1%)
AS Beselich-Obertiefenbach-West (L 3022) – AS Beselich-Obertiefenbach-Ost (L 3322) 20800 / 2787 (13,4%)
AS Beselich-Obertiefenbach-Ost (L 3322) – Beselich-Heckholzhausen-Limburger Straße (K 449) 20000 / 2540 (12,7%)
Beselich-Heckholzhausen-Limburger Straße (K 449) – Beselich-Heckholzhausen-Weilburger Straße (K 449) 19500 / 2594 (13,3%)
Beselich-Heckholzhausen-Weilburger Straße (K 449) – AS Merenberg-West (K 446) 19300 / 2297 (11,9%)
AS Merenberg-West (K 446) – AS Merenberg-Ost (L 3109 / K 441) 19000 / 2622 (13,8%)
AS Merenberg-Ost (L 3109 / K 441) – AS Weilburg (B 456) 24300 / 2673 (11%)
AS Weilburg (B 456) – AS Löhnberg (L 3020 / L 3044) 14900 / 2310 (15,5%)
AS Löhnberg (L 3020 / L 3044) – Leun-Biskirchen (L 3020) 19000 / 2223 (11,7%)
Leun-Biskirchen (L 3020) – Braunfels-Tiefenbach (K 380) 18500 / 2220 (12%)
Braunfels-Tiefenbach (K 380) – Leun (L 3052) 18900 / 2363 (12,5%)
Leun (L 3052) – AS Solms-Niederbiel (L 3283) 18300 / 2397 (13,1%)
AS Solms-Niederbiel (L 3283) – Solms-Oberbiel (L 3020) 26700 / 2563 (9,6%)
Solms-Oberbiel (L 3020) – AS Wetzlar-Dalheim (B 277 / L 3020) 27600 / 2677 (9,7%)
AS Wetzlar-Dalheim (B 277 / L 3020) – AS Wetzlar-Garbenheim (L 3020) 19700 / 2403 (12,2%)
AS Wetzlar-Garbenheim (L 3020) – AS Lahnau (L 3285) 30400 / 3010 (9,9%)
AS Lahnau (L 3285) – AS Lahnfelddreieck (B 429) 34100 / 4604 (13,5%)
AS Lahnfelddreieck (B 429) – AS Gießen-Kleinlinden (L 3475) 19100 / 1471 (7,7%)
AS Gießen-Kleinlinden (L 3475) – AS Bergwerkswald (A 485) 49800 / 3685 (7,4%)
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Old August 18th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #5445
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According to the BVWP 2003 a Autobahn is planned, but only one carrigeway will be built with advance ("Vorleistung", I don't know the EN word) for a 2nd carrigeway.
space reservation (the act of leaving a right-of-way cleared and in place, overpasses long enough, drainage structures ready etc. for a 2nd carriageway to be built in the future).
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Old August 19th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #5446
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Exactly. There will be a political "baustellenbesichtigung" (construction inspection) at A44 (Kassel-Eisenach) and at B109 (Kuhbier bypass - very small project) next week. I hate this kind of stupid hustings .
The A44 happening was for announcing that the interchange Waldkappel will be part of the u/c section Hasselbach-Waldkappel. The i/c costs 13 million €. A temporary connector was designed because the i/c is officially part of the plan approval order for the next section. The savings w/o that temporary connector are 1.2 million €.

There was also a groundbreaking ceremony for the 3-laned widening of the B85 b/n March and Metten (OSM; 1.7km; 3.5 million €; completion: autumn 2014; plan approval order was passed in July 2012). That acclivity is an accident black spot.

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The plan approval procedure for the 8.7km long section 4 from AS Neu Wulmstorf to AK Hamburg-Süderelbe (A7) was started in September 2012 (OSM).
The plan approval order for the 4th A26 section is announced for 2014/15. Completion 2020+. Costs 220 million €.
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Old August 20th, 2013, 11:56 PM   #5447
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Hello. I hope I’m not that far off topic.
I would like to ask if is there anyone who knows where I can find and download the official German road diagrams in vector form.
After searching the web, I found (with a lot of help from google translate) the German Federal Highway Research Institute’s website that it provides all the diagrams and symbols (VzKat '92, RWB(A)). Although anyone can download a few of the symbols and diagrams, in order for someone to obtain all the diagrams, they have to order a CD (costs €220) that provides all the diagrams of the signs in DVKAZ format along with a conversion programme to convert them into vector EPS format.
The website provides an order form which mentions something about an appointment and a company stamp. Of course, I have not got a company, I currently reside in the US and I do not speak German.

PS: I know that Wikipedia has got them, but most of them are personal work of contributors and not the official ones.
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Of course, I have not got a company, I currently reside in the US and I do not speak German.
Post a link to the order form and I'll take a look for you
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http://www.bast.de/cln_031//DE/Aufga...tart-2013.html

This is the web page. You can find the order form in the "Bestellung" link.
Thank you for your concern.
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 08:38 AM   #5450
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This is the web page. You can find the order form in the "Bestellung" link.
Thank you for your concern.
Alrighty, I took a peek and from what I understand without actually calling them up they don't even consider the possibility that someone private would be interested in purchasing their disc which comes to 222 EUR plus 19 % tax which would be a total of 264.18 EUR.
If you are willing to pay that I can call them and find out if there's a possibility for a regular person to purchase this thing.
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The groundbreaking ceremony for the A3 section between Kauppenbrücke and Rohrbrunn was yesterday.
Some pics:
- groundbreaking ceremony
- Kauppenaufstieg
- Weibersbrunn - Rohrbrunn

Videos October 2012:
- AS Hösbach - AS Weibersbrunn
- AS Weibersbrunn - AS Marktheidenfeld
- Aschaffenburg - Würzburg (time lapse)
More pics from the A3 widening near Weibersbrunn from April 2013 (taken by ABDNB; OSM):

http://www.abdnb.bayern.de/imperia/m...nn_miller.html (click on pic to enlarge)

http://www.abdnb.bayern.de/imperia/m...unn_dietz.html

Cannot be enlarged by clicking, but I have embedded them directly:

Between Kauppenbrücke and Weibersbrunn:







Near Weibersbrunn:





The new Kauppenbrücke in the background:



http://www.abdnb.bayern.de/imperia/m...iebelried.html (general pics b/n Frankfurt and Nuremberg)
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Old August 22nd, 2013, 12:47 PM   #5452
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Were those curves in the last pic really necessary?
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Were those curves in the last pic really necessary?
Yes. The A3 was built in the 1960th and it was not allowed to built Autobahns with an acclivity of more than 4%. The Kauppenbrücke is on 300m and Weibersbrunn on 400m. The carriageway towards Weibersbrunn already features a 3rd lane. The new Aschaffquell viaduct will replace the first curve to the right after the i/c (towards Kauppenbrücke).
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Thanks. The picture doesn't show the slope well.
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Looks more like the motorway is built along the flank of the hill to the right. The zoom may the curves look worse than they really are.
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Looks more like the motorway is built along the flank of the hill to the right. The zoom may the curves look worse than they really are.
Yes and no. The speed is limited to 120km/h in both directions. The curves are not worse but you can "feel" them. The limit is maybe too low but on the other hand it is not possible to drive there safely with 180km/h.
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The estimated costs of the A20 Elbtunnel are 940 million €. The costs for the whole 12.3km long section from Glücksstadt to Drochtersen - including the tunnel - are 1,102 million € (OSM). The next steps are to achieve building law and to finish the cost-effectiveness analysis. The Federal Transport Ministry wants to start bidding in 2014. (Taken from a publication of the German Bundestag: > click <. There is also a great sentence: "ÖPP ist keine Finanzierungs-, sondern eine wertneutrale Beschaffungsvariante gegenüber der sogenannten konventionellen Realisierung von Bundesfernstraßen" --> "PPP is not a funding option, but a value-neutral aquisition model compared to so-called conventional implementation of federal roads" )
The French company Vinci is interested to build the entire A20/A26 complex b/n Bremerhaven, Bad Segeberg and Hamburg (see newspaper article). A PPP project with a concession period of 50 years. The total concession length is about 150km. The toll for the Elbtunnel shall cost 2 €/car and 12 €/truck.
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I think this is the only chance of getting A20 built within a reasonable timespan. General tolls at the Elbtunnel are acceptable in my opinion.

The idea is a PPP project where the concessionair gets part or all of the truck toll revenue for a period of 50 years. Generally speaking, these contracts are less advantageous to the government because the company receives more money than construction and operations would have cost if the government constructs the road. On the other side, this means the A20 could be completed as much as 15 years sooner, and you also have to put a value to that factor.

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Which is the main reason to choose a PPP.

Problem is, in my region PPP is being used to justify idiotic road projects (B-roads converted to highways without need) just because "someone else will put the money", while the contract is actually overprotective towards the contractor... so that, may it not get revenues, the Region will have to repay it anyway.

But it's a problem of bad administration, not of the PPP itself.
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Many governments view PPP as "free money".
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