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Old September 6th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #5501
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A5 Darmstadt - Frankfurt

Autobahn A5 from Darmstadt to Frankfurt.

This is the oldest Reichsautobahn of Germany, it opened in 1935. It is also the longest 8-lane Autobahn.

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Old September 7th, 2013, 03:02 PM   #5502
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They should have made a 4+4 till St.Leon instead of the two parallel 2+2 (67 and 5). Traffic on that stretch is always much smother than further south.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #5503
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There is a large viaduct under construction that will span the valley of the Mosel River near Zeltingen-Rachtig. It is part of the B50 four-lane expressway that forms the only fast east-west route in the Hunsrück area. It is the only fast connection across the valley between Trier and Koblenz.

The part between Kreuz Wittlich (A1/A60) and the western part of the valley was indicated on my ADAC atlas as finished in 2008, but it is still far from finished, and it looks like it won't open until 2016, when the bridge is slated to open.
The 5.3km section from AK Wittlich to AS Platten is estimated to be opened in summer 2014 (OSM; 70 million €). The construction began in May 2003(!), a short part is already in service (for local traffic). The 19.9km section from AS Platten to Longkamp (containing the viaduct) is estimated to be completed in 2016 (OSM; 290 million €). The construction was started in July 2009. See also project page.

It is planned to upgrade the B50 b/n Longkamp and Hahn Airport to 2x2 (OSM). The B50 upgrade b/n Hahn Airport and A61 was completed in November 2011.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #5504
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a short part is already in service (for local traffic).
Yes, I drove across it. It is more or less the truck route through the Mosel Valley, because trucks are banned from B50. If you come from Hahn and drive towards Wittlich, this is the fastest route.

The current part open has 1 lane each way and you drive between the workzone poles (leitbakens) and the road is not finished yet.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #5505
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Only the construction of the Riederwald Tunnel is an active project. It will connect A661 with A66 east of Frankfurt. A tunnel from the western part of A66 to A661 seems futuristic at this time.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riederwaldtunnel
The project includes the construction of the 2nd A661 carriageway (OSM; 2.2km). The works started in November 2007 and are announced to be finished in 2015.

The groundbreaking ceremony for the A66 Riederwaldtunnel (OSM; 2.6 km) was on 23rd September 2009 - 4 days prior to the German federal election (Bundestagswahl) 2009 - but works were not started.

The route was defined in 1985, it will feature 2x3 lanes. The plan approval order was passed in February 2007 and the plan approval supplementation order was passed in September 2011. Preliminary works have been started in February 2012 (tree precipitation). Some garden plots were pulled down in August 2012, other preliminary works have also happened in the meantime. The planning of the execution of construction work was tendered in 2012. Execution period 2013/14. A bridge ("Kreuzungsbauwerk") within the future triangle (AD) will be contract in fall 2013. Construction time: July 2014 to December 2015. The completion of the entire project is announced for 2020 (plus x). Total project costs: 320 million €. Estimated AADT 2025: 101,900 vehicles per day within the tunnel. Project page.

The yellow press (BILD) calls it "the world's slowest construction".

The A66 Alleentunnel west of the A661 (OSM) had no priority in the last decades. It should be finally cancelled with the next BVWP 2015.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #5506
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Is there any discussion on a political level in Germany regarding the declining and sometimes literally crumbling infrastructure, the lack of progress with many projects and slow construction?
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Yes, there are sometimes discussions. But there is also a lack of progress within this discussion .
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Old September 9th, 2013, 08:19 PM   #5508
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Is there any discussion on a political level in Germany regarding the declining and sometimes literally crumbling infrastructure, the lack of progress with many projects and slow construction?
Although elections are quite near (Sep 22) and political discussions are very intensive, I can't remember hearing or reading any single political assertion about the state of infrastructure.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #5509
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Quite frankly I don't see CDU+FDP increasing the road budget in the next few years. The budget has been declining for several years now. There are two types of funding for the federal highway & motorway network, regular funding and truck toll funding. A while ago all truck toll revenue went to roads, but they lowered the regular funding by the same amount, resulting in no increase in road budget. Quite a shame. The amount of baustelles in Germany is incredible. And with most of these baustelles you see no people at work outside office hours. Even during the day you see 4 or 5 people working on a whole bridge.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 11:01 AM   #5510
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Quite frankly I don't see CDU+FDP increasing the road budget in the next few years.
And everybody else would cut the budget in case they were elected. German governments have reduced themselves to administering and putting out bush fires everywhere. I can see nobody willing or competent enough to actually make a plan that goes beyond the next election.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #5511
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Something new, Chancellor Merkel: "We don't want to put more weight on German car owners but we need more money for road infrastructure. We will find a solution to introduce tolls for foreign cars"
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Old September 10th, 2013, 01:33 PM   #5512
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Something new, Chancellor Merkel: "We don't want to put more weight on German car owners but we need more money for road infrastructure. We will find a solution to introduce tolls for foreign cars"
Good luck explaining that to EU.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 03:05 PM   #5513
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It would be perfectly compliant with EU rules to require a vignette to drive anywhere in Germany and then offer only annual vignettes (or make short-term vignettes nearly as expensive as annual vignettes). They would be a comparative bargain for German drivers and comparatively expensive (considering the amount of driving) for non-resident foreigners.
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Perfectly compliant if vignette is for everybody, not just foreigners.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 04:41 PM   #5515
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It would be perfectly compliant with EU rules to require a vignette to drive anywhere in Germany and then offer only annual vignettes (or make short-term vignettes nearly as expensive as annual vignettes). They would be a comparative bargain for German drivers and comparatively expensive (considering the amount of driving) for non-resident foreigners.
If what you mean by "a vignette to drive anywhere" is a vignette to drive on any road at all, not just Autobahnen, there was discussion of a such a thing in Belgium a few months back (yes, I pay attention to this. I'm weird.) and my memory is the proposal was dropped because everyone assumed the EU would veto it. Whether someone at the EU actually said so I don't know.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #5516
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Perfectly compliant if vignette is for everybody, not just foreigners.
One idea in discussion is to have the vignette included in the vehicle tax.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #5517
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One idea in discussion is to have the vignette included in the vehicle tax.
That, conversely, would only be applicable to Germans.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 09:28 PM   #5518
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That, conversely, would only be applicable to Germans.
Um, yeah, I guess I have to make it more clear.

Germans pay like 100 euros for vehicle tax per year today, just to name a number.
Let's say, in the new system, they still pay 100 euros, but get a vignette delivered at no extra charge. Then it is like you paid e.g. 75 € for the tax and 25 € for the vignette.

Foreigners will have to buy the vignette. Thus, everybody has a vignette, but only foreigners have the extra charge.

Get it?
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Old September 10th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #5519
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I suppose the ECJ would have to decide whether such a model - if implemented - complies with the treaties or not. Reducing vehicle tax for the same amount you charge for an annual vignette would be perfectly fine from a European law perspective, I'm not sure whether handing out vignettes free of charge is.

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Something new, Chancellor Merkel: "We don't want to put more weight on German car owners but we need more money for road infrastructure. We will find a solution to introduce tolls for foreign cars"
Source?
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They could leave the choice to the user: pay a "Standard vehicle tax", without BAB, or a "Full vehicle tax", with usage of BAB.

By leaving it as an option, it may not seem as a trick against foreigners; of course this could result in lower general income, since some might prefer to pay less and not use highways.

PS: I'll be happy to pay the vignette, if this gives me access to the Umweltzonen
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