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Old September 22nd, 2013, 11:52 AM   #5541
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A7 Salzgitter - Göttingen

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- A7 widening (2x3) between Salzgitter and Göttingen (OSM; last 29.2km long gap): The Federal Court of Auditors ("Bundesrechungshof") has asserted that PPP would be more expensive than a conventional construction. The costs would be 12.8 million € higher. The Lower Saxony Ministry of Transport is happy, but the final decision will be made by the Federal Ministry of Transport.
The Federal Ministry of Transport instructed them to advance the PPP project (press release; 13th August). The Lower Sayony Ministry of Transport commisioned an external expert to make a legal opinion (press release; 16th August). The result is that the instruction is legal (press release; 17th September). Minister Lies' (SPD) last hope is that a new Federal Government will make a political assessment instead of wasting money just for ideological reason.

The plan approval order for the A7 section 4 from south of AS Echte and south of AS Northeim-North (OSM) was passed on 30th August. Documents: > click <. The procedure was started in May 2011

The plan approval orders for section 3 (started in August 2012; OSM) and section 5 (March 2012; OSM) are still in progress, see project page.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 12:00 PM   #5542
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The trial at the Federal Administrative Court for the 3rd A20 section from Wittenborn to Weede (OSM; 10.0km) will be on 22nd and 23rd October 2013. The plan approval order was passed in April 2012 (started in October 2006).
The road construction and maintenance department tried to get a compromise with the complaining environmental organization NABU and Bund but they have not agreed. They are arguing that the protection of the bats cannot be reached by building some additional buildings. The A20 route must be displaced. Well, the court hearing will be in late October...
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 12:08 PM   #5543
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B85 Amberg - Sulzbach-Rosenberg

The 3-laned widening of the B85 b/n Amberg and Sulzbach-Rosenberg (12km; OSM) was recently completed. The 5th and last section b/n Karmensölden and Schäflohe (1.9km; OSM) was opened on 19th September 2013. The construction of the last section was started in July 2012. The first section was already completed in 2001.
Project page: > click <. Total costs: about 20 million € (newspaper article with some pics).
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 12:13 PM   #5544
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- A59 widening in Duisburg (OSM): http://www.autobahnatlas-online.de/B...burgAusbau.htm.
Some A59 pics (19th September 2013): > click <. The construction of the 2x3 widening was started in 2008. Estimated completion: late 2013.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 12:23 PM   #5545
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The A10 widening (2x4) from AD Nuthetal to AD Potsdam (south of Berlin; OSM) is also obstructed due to the general German problem - lack of funding. The Federal Ministry of Transport can not confirm a construction start in 2014. On the other hand a good news: The plan approval order - which was passed in January 2013 - was not challenged .
The noise protection will be combined with a solar project. This is a pilot project. The ministry is now looking for an investor. The project contains also the 9km A10 widening and the extension of the Michendorf service area. Total costs: 130 million €. Aspired construction time: 2016 to 2020. See press release. See presentation for more details.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 01:53 PM   #5546
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- Olpe-tunnel of A1, west of Cologne, 60 km/h, although construction works have been finished long ago. Will it remain so?
- Rhine bridge of A1 at Leverkusen has a limit of 60 km/h in both directions. Nonetheless, yesterday there was only one free lane westbound (normally the bridge is 2×3), approx. 10 kms of congestion. On my way home I choose A3 - A59 - A565.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:08 PM   #5547
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- Olpe-tunnel of A1, west of Cologne, 60 km/h, although construction works have been finished long ago. Will it remain so?
Apparently they are still not finished there. I've read about full closures during the night several times on the strassen.nrw website.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 06:48 PM   #5548
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hello, what is people opinion about no limits on motorways? I hope that they keep them
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 06:50 PM   #5549
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hello, what is people opinion about no limits on motorways? I hope that they keep them
Hello,

We've been through this 20 odd pages back...
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 08:17 PM   #5550
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hello, what is people opinion about no limits on motorways? I hope that they keep them
Me too.
And given today's election results, the introduction of a general limit is not very likely for the near future
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Old September 24th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #5551
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A620, Saarbrücken

Autobahn A620 from Saarbrücken to Saarlouis. Quite an interesting ride.

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A quick question, I have a doubt about gelbe Autobahnen: do they have speed limits or they're unlimited like (most) Autobahnen?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #5553
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:30 PM   #5554
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So the basic difference with the Autobahn is.... ?
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #5555
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"Vertrauen Sie mir – wir werden eine Lösung finden!" - "Erstens, wir wollen die deutschen Autofahrer nicht stärker belasten, und zweitens, wir brauchen mehr Geld für die Verkehrsinfrastruktur."

I marked red what I could not prove. She said Seehofers proposal of an toll for foreign cars is "rechtlich schwierig" (legally difficult?): > click <.
I can imagine.

I think she is taking fuel duty for granted though, I'm willing to bet Germand earn a lot from for example Dutch filling their cars + some jerrycans over in DE...
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:45 PM   #5556
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So the basic difference with the Autobahn is.... ?
Lack of shoulders and substandard exits (tighter curves etc.).
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Lack of shoulders and substandard exits (tighter curves etc.).
Thanks.

I drove only in one gelbe Autobahn (can't remember exactly which one... maybe B2 between Augsburg and Donauwörth) but it looked almost Autobahn. I think it had full shoulders, too.
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Lack of shoulders and substandard exits (tighter curves etc.).
Same as some Autobahns. And a lot of B-roads do have shoulders. Difficult to say really what the difference is...
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So the basic difference with the Autobahn is.... ?
Construction standards. Gelbe Autobahnen can have narrower lanes and hard shoulders, tighter turns, no service areas, etc.
Quite similar to Italian Superstrade, actually.

Obviously you have to take a look at current standards as some Autobahnen still more or less have the standard of the very early days of the network. A8 is an infamous example without hard shoulders, very short acceleration lanes, etc. These things weren't changed over 70 years. Yet, nowadays you aren't able to build an Autobahn like that.
New Gelbe Autobahnen can have hard shoulders but don't have to. E. g. B17 between Landsberg and Augsburg does, and B19 between Kempten and Immenstadt doesn't. Both were buildt in the last 5-10 years. However, there's a speed limit of 120 on the latter.


There is no general speed limit on all roads with carriageways divided by a median. Theoretically it applies on a 1+1 road with median as well, although I'm pretty sure no such road exists (at least without speed.)
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Old September 25th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #5560
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I can imagine.

I think she is taking fuel duty for granted though, I'm willing to bet Germand earn a lot from for example Dutch filling their cars + some jerrycans over in DE...
And losing a lot on Germans filling their vehicles up in Austria.
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