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Old October 31st, 2013, 06:34 PM   #5701
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Perhaps they're pissed off because of that Großes Deutsche Eck corridor between Tirol and Salzburg.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:02 PM   #5702
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No, pissed off because toll around Kufstein and Pfändertunnel (Bregenz).
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:14 PM   #5703
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So? Tolls in France are dearer.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:52 PM   #5704
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I guess more Germans are using Austrian Autobahns than French or Swiss motorways - especially Bavarians .
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Old October 31st, 2013, 08:56 PM   #5705
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I think they use Swiss motorways just as much but I don't know.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 09:53 PM   #5706
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I guess that too, because this whole toll thing seems suited to "fight" vignette systems, not tolls in general.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 09:56 PM   #5707
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If you go south from Bavaria you must go through Austria, but usually its only about 10km on their motorway network. For this you have buy an 8.50€ vignette. Other countries are more generous, you can drive to the second exit after the border or around cities for free.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 10:20 PM   #5708
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If you go south from Bavaria you must go through Austria, but usually its only about 10km on their motorway network. For this you have buy an 8.50€ vignette.
You don't necessarily have to use their motorway though.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 10:27 PM   #5709
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Why do they want to use 10 km of their motorway network?
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Old October 31st, 2013, 10:34 PM   #5710
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The alternative is a passage through cities: Kufstein, Innsbruck or Bregenz. The road in Bregenz is often clogged. Of course you can do that for free, but its annoying, even more if you have an accident there.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 10:36 PM   #5711
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usually its only about 10km on their motorway network.
I don't think so!
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:04 PM   #5712
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Main route is Brenner. That means Munich - Garmisch - Zirl - Innsbruck - Brenner. From Zirl to Brenner Motorway its 11km on the A12. Brenner Motorway is not included in the vignette system and costs extra toll.

Another North-South transit route is Kufstein - Felbertauern. From border to Kufstein-Süd its 6km. Again Felbertauern costs extra toll.

Pfändertunnel is about 10km, after the tunnel you can switch to the Swiss motorway, which you need anyway if you are going South to Italy.

A fourth route would be Garmisch - Fernpass - Landeck - Reschen, which is not so popular. Here its 12km motorway and the tunnel around Landeck which is not a motorway, but is included in the vignette system.
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:40 PM   #5713
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Main route is Brenner.
Yes, you are right!

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That means Munich - Garmisch - Zirl - Innsbruck - Brenner.
No. Munich - Kufstein - Innsbruck - Brenner!
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Old October 31st, 2013, 11:44 PM   #5714
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Main route through Swiss is St Gotthard. It's (still) vignette free travel between border and Kufstein Süd.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 12:54 AM   #5715
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There are Germans who own a car and who don´t use our mighty autobahns?!
Yes, Germans can take lots of pain if they can save money.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 06:26 AM   #5716
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A lot of Germans are pissed off that they have to pay almost everywhere and when they go to work the Autobahn is clogged up with foreign cars. Politicians listen to such things and CSU man Horst Seehofer most of all.

I doubt many Germans think past a simple wish for revenge in this matter.
Might as well toll the roads to the Dutch coast then, a significant part of traffic in Zeeland in the summer months are Germans.
/idiot mode: they are in my way, they should pay for using the road like I pay road tax

Tolls are stupid imo, any person should oppose tolls unless the money goes directly to the road budget. Everyone already pays more than enough in fuel duty and VAT...


In general, European motorists bend over way too easily, they are milked to the brim compared to people who don't drive, way in excess of actual costs to build and maintain the infrastructure.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 08:50 AM   #5717
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No. Munich - Kufstein - Innsbruck - Brenner!
Thats a detour and not faster.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 11:47 AM   #5718
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Thats a detour and not faster.
According to Google Maps:
Ingolstadt - Munich - Kufstein - Innsbruck - Bolzano: 362km, 3:30h
Ingolstadt - Munich - Garmisch - Innsbruck - Bolzano: 343km, 3:52h

It is faster!
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EDIT: I misread and misanswered.

Yes, of course via Kufstein is the faster and usual way for the Brenner route.
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Old November 1st, 2013, 02:21 PM   #5720
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If you're coming from the Stuttgart side, then Ulm - Reutte - Innsbruck might be a bit faster. Depends a bit on the volume of traffic crossing the Fernpass, but A8 Stuttgart - Munich is a pig of a road...
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