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Old February 10th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #581
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Cool video. I'm wondering, since the traffic lights in Germany are located at the stop line (i.e. before the intersection), how do left-turning drivers who are waiting inside the intersection (when there is no dedicated left-turn signal) know when the light turns yellow/red? I guess they can only know when the oncoming traffic has stopped, but that's quite inconvenient...
I'm not sure for Germany, but in many countries there is yellow arrow, that lights up when opposite traffic is stopped, so that vehicles in the intersection can empty it. At that time red light is lit for all directions for few seconds, so that intersection can be emptied. How exactly are traffic lights phases in intersection, depends of course from case to case.

If there is no yellow arrow, then of course it must mean that opposite traffic has stopped, so you can empty intersection. Convincing or not, it works.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 03:17 PM   #582
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more examples of signs near borders

Prag/Praha



Breslau (Wroclaw)



this is strange: Liège in original name, but Bruxelles in german name


Arnheim instead of Arnhem


Stettin (Szczecin)


Warschau


Warschau (Warszawa)
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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:17 PM   #583
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A10, Dreieck Spreeau.

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Old February 10th, 2008, 05:54 PM   #584
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I'm pretty suprised to see Warszawa already signed near Berlin.
I guess its the foreign city signed with most km's on distance signs on german Autobahns?

I've also seen Basel signed pretty early, something like 400km if I remember correctly.
What about Vienna or Paris?
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Old February 10th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #585
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I don't know at which point they begin to sign Paris. This one is near Kaiserslautern.


This sign is between Kassel and Frankfurt, behind a major interchange, so I guess, this is the first point from where Basel is signed (although you also use this way to get to closer Köln via A45/A4)


you won't find Wien in München (distance: 437km), but Salzburg and Innsbruck
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Old February 10th, 2008, 10:20 PM   #586
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Would someone explain to me what Basel is doing so early on German signs? It was already odd to me to see it in Frankfurt, as IMO Karlsruhe is totally enough, but now I see it's written even before Frankfurt! You don't even see Frankfurt in Basel (or anywhere in Switzerland), just Karlsruhe, perfectly fine to me.

Chris, awesome stuff as always! That was one nice and quite long trip that day. I love driving on German Autobahns, especially on at least 6-laned, but I always have to put up with the crappy (4-lane) A8 first.
Industriekultur Nordsternpark - sounds spooky. I've noticed a parking area called Stettin - Szczecin? And how on earth does one pronounce Vlotho?
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Old February 10th, 2008, 10:54 PM   #587
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Hehe, i noticed this parking too.

Here you can find something about it.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 11:02 PM   #588
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Would someone explain to me what Basel is doing so early on German signs?

I've noticed a parking area called Stettin - Szczecin?
That's the state of Hessen, they always look a bit further. They also sign Hannover already north of Mannheim.


ok, this place (Kirchheimer Dreieck - Hattenbacher Dreieck) is a pretty central place in Germany



here is another example:

sign in Rheinland-Pfalz, indicates Wiesbaden, Frankfurt and Würzburg.

now in Hessen, a bit closer to these destinations: Würzburg and Wiesbaden disappear, but München and Basel pop up. Idstein is the next exit. what a mess.

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Old February 12th, 2008, 02:08 AM   #589
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Would someone explain to me what Basel is doing so early on German signs? It was already odd to me to see it in Frankfurt, as IMO Karlsruhe is totally enough, but now I see it's written even before Frankfurt! You don't even see Frankfurt in Basel (or anywhere in Switzerland), just Karlsruhe, perfectly fine to me.
It does make sense because there is no large German city at the southern end of the A5 and Basel ist directly behind the border.

This might also come from history as this Autobahn was planned in the 1920's as part of the "HaFraBa" project (Hamburg-Frankfurt-Basel), the first large scale Autobahn project in Germany.

But this system of giving directions by city names is never 100% consistent. I prefer the American way of indicating just the highway number and direction as in "north", "east" etc. Would avoid some confusion but requires you to always have a map.

Anyway with navigation systems getting standard in every car the next years we could probably do without any direction signs at all in future. Would save a lot of money.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 02:15 AM   #590
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Anyway with navigation systems getting standard in every car the next years we could probably do without any direction signs at all in future. Would save a lot of money.
We have one, but I don't use it. I learn more about the ways of a city when finding the way by myself (Umwege und Verfahren erhöhen die Ortskenntnis ) instead of jsut doing what the voice tells me

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It does make sense because there is no large German city at the southern end of the A5 and Basel ist directly behind the border.
Mannheim's metro has around 1 mio. inhabitans. And Stuttgart is also accessible via this route (when coming from Cologne). I'd rather sign one of these cities.

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Old February 12th, 2008, 02:56 AM   #591
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I will never use girl stuff like navigation systems. The map is my best friend
Signing just directions like "north" etc might work in the US with its long distances, but in Germany this system would be quite nonsense.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #592
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I've driven the German A2 whenever I visited my family in Munster and I remember making my way trough a ridiculous bottleneck in Bad Oeynausen. Just before the town, the autobahn turns into a city avenue (which is terribly jammed most of the time) running through the very centre to turn into the same autobahn again past the town.
I've always wondered why they couldn't just build a motorway bypass of the city. Maybe there was something to do with environmentalists and all that stuff, I've no idea. Anyone knows why?
I'm from that town (Bad Oeynhausen).
They're planing the autobahn since the 1960s but there are a lot of NIMBYs against it.
Now most of the planings are finished and the NIMBYs went to court to avoid the autobahn.

I made an overview over the planned autobahn for Google-Maps

There are first renderings of the project:

Thats how the bridge over the river Werre should look like:



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The bridge reminds me of this bridge.

The bridge will be located here.
North of the bridge is a 445m tunnel planned for noise-reducing:


It's quite possible that work starts this year - they need 5 years to build it.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 06:43 PM   #593
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Why do they oppose autobahn? Surely they don't love having daily congestions in the city because of transit traffic?
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Old February 12th, 2008, 07:13 PM   #594
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Why do they oppose autobahn? Surely they don't love having daily congestions in the city because of transit traffic?
Well, some houses are only a few hundreds meters away from the autobahn.

But there is only a minority against the autobahn:
Threre are lets say 200 people wo demontrate active against it for years and the whole town of Bad Oeynhausen has arund 50.000 inhabitants.

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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:09 PM   #595
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Thanks for the map&pics ABRob, very helpful
And that render of a bridge over the river looks utterly magnificient
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:39 PM   #596
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Old February 13th, 2008, 11:49 PM   #597
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germany has good roads, high quality and so on but they don´t look nice to the eye, for some this is important and I think that german roads don´t look nice. i don´t like the markings, the color and look of the asphalt, the crashbarriers and that they work minmalistic. For example a road from a 30 000 inhabitants town Nürtingen which was leading to some other towns and villages was opened because of canalisation which had to be installed for some new buldings but they didn´t open the whole lane or the whole road but jsut a 50 - 60 m long peace which was half a lane wide so that one tire now is on the new, the toher one on the old asphalt, that´s not confortable at all and just looks rediculous.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 01:11 AM   #598
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Old February 14th, 2008, 03:29 PM   #599
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5. A23 Bridge over Kiel Canal, Germany


Why is this bridge so high? I can't imagine the ships are even higher than the canal is wide.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 04:03 PM   #600
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Why is this bridge so high?
I can't imagine the ships are even higher than the canal is wide.
It just seems so high.
The bridge is 42m high, like all bridges over Kiel Canal, and the canal is 162m wide.
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