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Old April 10th, 2014, 01:26 PM   #6241
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Road tolls on German Autobahns from 2016

According to Dutch news site NOS, Germany will introduce Autobahn tolls for cars by 2016. German road traffic minister Dobrindt has said this in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeize Zeitung newspaper. Here's a link to the news article (only in Dutch): http://nos.nl/artikel/634202-tolvign...anaf-2016.html
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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:16 PM   #6242
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The B464 section b/n south of Renningen and AS Magstadt will be opened in spring 2014 (instead of July 2013; 2x1; 1.2km; 14.7 million €; OSM; plan approval order: 1999/May 2011; u/c since early 2012). Delay reason: ???.
The 3rd B464 section was opened today, see press release. The official opening ceremony will be on 29th April 2014.

The 1.5km section 1 was built b/n July 2005 and July 2010.
The 4.4km section 2 was built b/n 2010 and December 2011.
The 1.2km section 3 was built b/n July 2012 and April 2014.
The plan approval order for all 3 sections was already passed in 1999. The additional plan approval order for section 3 was passed in May 2011. All sections are 2-laned. The expected AADT is > 20,000 vehicles/day.

It was planned to complete the construction of the three sections until the 2006 FIFA World Cup...
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Old April 12th, 2014, 01:01 PM   #6243
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Comparision of federal infrastructure invests 2013 / 2003 (source = Federal Government; Details 2000-2013):

5.45 billion € / 4.69 billion € for federal roads (Autobahns and B roads) - see details page 4
6.89 billion € / 5.83 billion € in federal roads in total (including labor costs) - see details page 5
1.83 billion € / 1.50 billion € for waterways - see details page 6
89 million € / 30 million € for air transport - see details page 8
72 million € / 95 million € for cyclist traffic - see details page 10
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Old April 12th, 2014, 01:52 PM   #6244
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How are works progressing on the Hochmoselbrücke project?
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Old April 12th, 2014, 02:14 PM   #6245
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How are works progressing on the Hochmoselbrücke project?
Still the same status like in November :

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Hochmoselbrücke . No news b/c it is a common German construction. The viaduct will be u/c until 2016 (or even later).
There is a construction report on the homepage of the project: http://www.hochmoseluebergang.rlp.de/index.php?id=78 (it is a google earth B50 plug-in but I've never used it ).

There were only some discussions (newspaper articles) about the 2-laned gap b/n Longkamp and Hahn airport meanwhile.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 12:44 AM   #6246
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According to Dutch news site NOS, Germany will introduce Autobahn tolls for cars by 2016. German road traffic minister Dobrindt has said this in an interview with the Frankfurter Allgemeize Zeitung newspaper. Here's a link to the news article (only in Dutch): http://nos.nl/artikel/634202-tolvign...anaf-2016.html
It's pity to introduce such tolls...84 years after the first "always free" Autobahn was opened . It makes no sense since the Autobahn network is already nearly completion. I believe some "nationalistic" Bavarian thought are now predominant and, furthermore, are to blame, especially when it comes to tax foreigners only. I'm quite curious what will EU say to this...
On the other hand, I couldn't imagine if Swiss were to introduce a special higher tax for Germans only, for they use massively our motorways network when it comes to go on holiday or business.
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The western part of the A94 is absolutely necessary. Austria refused an Autobahn on their territory thus Germany had to find a compromise.
There is a similar problem with the A98 and the Schaffhausen "corridor" in Switzerland...also, one must not forget that historically for Germany, extraterritorial Autobahn corridors were one of the main pretexts to invade Poland and, as a result, start WWII; while the last had disagreed for the highway.
Maybe a second "Anschluss", or an "Austrian Campaign" is the only solution to built this motorway .
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Old April 14th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #6248
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It's pity to introduce such tolls...84 years after the first "always free" Autobahn was opened . It makes no sense since the Autobahn network is already nearly completion. I believe some "nationalistic" Bavarian thought are now predominant and, furthermore, are to blame, especially when it comes to tax foreigners only. I'm quite curious what will EU say to this...
On the other hand, I couldn't imagine if Swiss were to introduce a special higher tax for Germans only, for they use massively our motorways network when it comes to go on holiday or business.
Taxing foreigners only is bullshit and only lunatics will believe in that. In the end, everybody will have to pay for using the autobahn and I can't say that I were against it. The GOP(CSU)* is trying to get the votes from far-righters by calling it a toll for foreigners when they really just want all drivers to pay.
A vignette would propably be a great idea, the austrians have one and don't complain about it either(a common european system would be to prefer anyroad)
*I always vote green or red, but the CSU has some good ideas, too, sometimes.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #6249
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Is there any chance of a massive program of construction of toll plazas in Germany?
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Toll plazas? What for?
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Toll plazas? What for?
If tolls-for-everybody are implemented in Germany, maybe there would be a backlash against plate-recognition tolls, therefore requiring traditional toll plazas.
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Old April 14th, 2014, 07:02 PM   #6252
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The idea is to introduce vignettes, likely e-vignettes. There are no plans for physical toll plazas like in France. The concept of large toll plazas is highly outdated and they ought to be phased out as soon as possible in favor of transponder / license plate tolls, like they have in the U.S. and Canada for 2 decades now.
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Old April 15th, 2014, 09:39 AM   #6253
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There is a similar problem with the A98 and the Schaffhausen "corridor" in Switzerland....
That's not the same situation. A conection of the A94 to the Innkreisautobahn would be an improvement for the Austrans as well, while Switzerland has absolutely no interest in a Schaffhausen corridor of the A98.
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Old April 18th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #6254
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The A59 widening in Duisburg will be officially inaugurated on 15th April 2014 (source). The stretch is already 2x3 in service but there are still 100..200 meter sections 2-laned at the begin and the end of the stretch in both directions (as at 16th February).
The official ceremony happened on schedule. The 2.3km long section b/n Duisburg-Hochfeld and Duisburg-Duissern includes a new 300m tunnel (OSM). Total costs: 98 million €. Construction time: 6 years. (source; source).

The A59 will be partly closed b/n A42 and A40 to renovate the "Berlin Bridge" (OSM) for the next months (May to October 2014), see project pages: 1, 2. It is also planned to upgrade the A59 to 2x3 lanes in the future.
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Old April 21st, 2014, 04:31 PM   #6255
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How are works progressing on the Hochmoselbrücke project?
Some pics of the u/c Hochmoselbrücke from September 2013 (> click <) and March 2014 (> click <). The latter shows two pics of the B50 near Altrich, which is east of the AK Wittlich (A60/A1). This section (west of the Hochmoselbrücke viaduct) is announced to be opened in summer 2014.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 06:56 PM   #6256
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Those Germans are weird, they think that it's still a taboo to talk about the nazi past, still consider the reading of Maine Kampf a criminal offence and forbid you to have HH or NS on your car plate because it may reminds something. Every pair of letter has hundreds of possible meanings, hasn't it?
Not sure if I have already posted it: Unethical license plates (published by the German Bundestag on 10th March 2014).

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Company shortcut HH is forbidden... Recommended to refuse: KZ, NS, SA, SS, HJ, AH, HH, N-PD, N-S, N-SU, IZ-AN, HEI-L, 18, 88, 14, 28,... The recommendation are state-dependent...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

HH and 88 means the same .
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HH = Hansestadt Hamburg. That's not considered a problem?
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 07:11 PM   #6258
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I'm pretty sure HH is a legal plate, or most of Hamburg would be in a lot of problems
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Straßensanierung: Albig fordert Sonderabgabe für alle Autofahrer

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HH = Hansestadt Hamburg. That's not considered a problem?
A company from Wolfratshausen in Bavaria requested a combination like TÖL-HH 123 or WOR-HH 123. That's not allowed in the district of Bad Tölz-Wolfratshausen. The state of Bavaria has a recommendation that HH should not be used and the district interprets it as a prohibition.

It is also possible that a licensing office forbids HH-HH 88 because it is a shortcut for "Heil Hitler(even 3 times in that case b/c the 8th character of the alphabet is H ).

I know that SS is generally not allowed, e.g. M-SS 123 (SS = Schutzstaffel) or M-AB 18 (18 = 1st and 8th character of the alphabet = AH = Adolf Hitler).

IZ-AN is also forbidden. You have to read it from the right to the left...
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