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Old May 22nd, 2014, 09:43 AM   #6381
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Infrastructure minister Alexander Dobrindt presented calculations about road tolls. Expected net income (= income minus costs) is approx. 0.5 bn euro per year.
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Old May 24th, 2014, 12:09 PM   #6382
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A3 widening b/n Aschaffenburg and Würzburg

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The ABDNB (Autobahndirektion Nordbayern) plans to upgrade the u/c section b/n Kauppenbrücke and Rohrbrunn until fall 2015 (8km). The 20km 2x2 gap b/n Rohrbrunn and Mainbrücke Bettingen shall be upgraded from 2015 to 2018. The next 8.5km section (mostly in Baden-Württemberg) will probably be upgraded in 2018/19. The u/c section near Würzburg will be completed until 2019. So the 1.1 billion € A3 widening b/n Aschaffenburg and Würzburg will be completed until 2019.
The 2014 federal budget is planned to be passed in July 2014. But a parliamentary state secretary of the Federal Ministry of Transport has already confirmed that the 2x3 widening of the 8.5km section b/n the river Main viaduct near Bettingen and the current ending of the widening near Holzkirchhausen (OSM) will be funded! Before, there was an endless discussion...

The A3 is in Bavaria, but 6.5km are in Baden-Württemberg. The river Main viaduct was already reconstructed b/n 1997 and 2001. It could feature 2x3 lanes but it has only a length of 400m thus it temporary carries 2x2 lanes only. The 11.3km section b/n Holzkirchhausen and the A81 i/c Würzburg-West was also widened b/n summer 2009 and December 2011.

The carriageway towards Würzburg contains a long inclination where congestions occur frequently. The 2005 AADT was about 60,000 vehicles/day, 57,000 in 2010. The 2020 prediction was 73,000 vehicles/day. It is planned to build an additional fourth lane on the eastern part of that section which continuous on the completed section until the rest area Fronberg. The fourth lane - on the left side - is currently closed there.

The A3 is maintained by Bavaria and the upgrade is planned and executed by Bavaria. The plan approval orders were passed in 2007. The Bavarian authority (ABDNB) has advanced planning, the bidding could be started in short time if the money would be available.

The construction is funded by the federation and it will be allocated to the states. The green/red Baden-Württemberg government has decided in 2011 that the A3 widening has a low priority. The upgrade should not begin till 2017. The region, especially the town of Wertheim, has protested. Also some regional members of the Bundestag were involved, plus the Bavarian prime minister.

The main point of critism is, that Baden-Württemberg returned 26 million € of their budget in 2013 because they were not able to spend this money! In addition, also other states returned money which were reallocated to other states - like Bavaria. Finally the Bavarian (Mr. Seehofer, CSU party) and the Baden-Württemberg (Mr. Kretschmann, Green party) prime ministers wrote a letter to the Federal Minister of Transport (Mr. Dobrindt, CSU party) to ask for funding.


Here a press release from the town of Wertheim: > click <.

It says that the funding should be available after the Bundestag decision in July. Preliminary works (5-6 million €) could start in late September 2014. The first step is to replace an overpass (OSM) to the "Wertheim Village" (outlet center). In addition, two little ditch bridges will be replaced in 2014, the hard shoulders on the carriageways will be temporary upgraded and services pipes will be installed. The clearance will took place in winter.

The real construction will begin in March 2015. The carriageway towards Würzburg will be widened east of the i/c Wertheim/Lengfurt and the carriageway towards Frankfurt will be widened west of the i/c in 2015. The opposite carriageways will be widened in 2016. It is possible, that some final works will be done in 2017.

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Mainbrücke Bettingen to Holzkirchhausen: 49 million € for 8.5km (next section to build).
The total costs are 77 million € now. The 6.5km Baden-Württemberg section costs 55 million € (2012: 50 million €; 2007: 37 million €) and the 2.0km Bavarian section costs 22 million € (December 2011: ~12 million €).
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Old May 27th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #6383
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Hello. Which route do you prefer going from Lübeck to (Karlovac)Croatia ? Google maps gives me 2 routes, one is across Berlin-Leipzig-Regensburg-Austria,
the other through Hamburg-Wurtzburg-Regensburg-Austria. The former is 30 min quicker on the map but is it a true estimation ?
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Old May 27th, 2014, 08:05 PM   #6384
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There are a lot of construction works on the A7 b/n Hannover and Göttingen. The A3 b/n Würzburg and Nuremberg is very congested. I would take the Berlin-Leipzig route. This would also avoid driving through Hamburg.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #6385
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If you drive from A7 north of Würzburg to Nürnberg, taking A70-A73 is also an option. It's only a few kilometers longer, but it has much less traffic, and also fewer trucks. It's a more relaxing drive although you can't drive very fast, it goes through Erlangen.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 08:18 PM   #6386
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Driving southwards the A70/A73 is an option. But the bridge west of the A3/A73 i/c is currently replaced. The A3 east of the i/c is often congested.

The (empty) 6-laned A9 is a better option than the A7 which is full of construction. The western Berlin beltway is also much better than passing Hamburg on the A1.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 08:23 PM   #6387
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A20 north of Hamburg

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The authority hopes to get a valid plan approval order within 2 years. The 5 ongoing plan approval procedures in Schleswig-Holstein are also effected and delayed by at minimum one year.
The regional press announces a construction beginning between "at latest 2016", "in 2016" and "at earliest 2016" . My guess is 2018.
The estimated completion of the procedures have been published.
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The additional procedure for section 3 is planned to be completed in 2016.

The plan approval order for section 8 (Elbtunnel) should be completed in 2014 (October 2014 announcement: 1st quarter of 2014). The plan approval procedure began in May 2009.

Section 7: 2015 (instead of late 2014; since December 2007)
Section 6: 2016 (instead of late 2014; since May 2008)
Section 5: 2016 (instead of late 2014; since October 2010)
Section 4: 2016 (instead of late 2014; since July 2009)

According to a press relase of the Schleswig-Holstein Ministry of Transport from 30th April 2012 it was planned to pass all plan approval orders until late 2012.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #6388
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I wonder when will A20 actually be BUILT???
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Old May 27th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #6389
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Now some pics from Berlin to Kreuz Schwerin (A24xA14). Route.

1. Going out from Berlin on A111:



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4. On A10 northern Berliner Ring, between Kreuz Oranienburg and Dreieck Havelland:



5. The big construction site at Dreieck Havelland:



6. The construction site continues also on A24:



7. There was also a Stau, we needed 15 minutes more:



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Old May 27th, 2014, 10:32 PM   #6390
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I wonder when will A20 actually be BUILT???
It is planned to start the construction of section 8 (Elbtunnel; > 1 billion €) at earliest 2017. But first they have to find a solution how to fund it. I guess section 7 (b/n tunnel and A23; 15km; ~ 200 million €) should be opened together with the tunnel plus A26 section 5 in Lower Saxony. In total 43km. Operating the tunnel without having connection to the Autobahn network is useless and too expensive.

I guess section 3 and 4 (b/n A21 and A7) could be built b/n 2020 and 2028/30. If all would be completed until 2030, I think the 25km gap (section 5/6 b/n A23 and A7) in Schlewsig-Holstein could be completed until 2035. But it is gazing in a crystal ball. Not to mention the A20 in Lower Saxony........
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Old May 27th, 2014, 10:45 PM   #6391
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They should rearrange funding priorities in Germany. Instead of widening or building a few kilometers at a time, there should be funding for the entire project at once, and postpone other less important projects. That way you can use the expanded / new infrastructure quickly, instead of ending up with fragments for years or even decades. PPP projects are good example of how it could be done. A1 Hamburg - Bremen was widened in 4 years (75 km), compare that to to A8 Karlsruhe - Stuttgart where widening works are underway since the late 1980s and it seems unlikely to be completed before 2020. The corridor approach works better than fragmented funding.
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Old May 27th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #6392
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Yep, but PPP is "bad". See discussion about A7 PPP in Lower Saxony. Germany love to complain about stucking in congestions but there is no adequate advance. The funding discussion of the past years is lapsed because of the "unexpected" disrepaired viaducts and bridges..........

PS: I agree. I'd like to focus on very important transit projects, it is planned to create a "very urgent transit demand" category with the new BVWP but lack of money is lack of money....
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Germans do always complain ...
That is why they never reach the first place in the Worlds Happiest Nations ranking.
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Germans do always complain ...
That is why they never reach the first place in the Worlds Happiest Nations ranking.
You are totally right...As I went to buy a Doner Kebap in Berlin the Turk said the main characteristic of the germans is : "Die Deutschen immer meckern" The Germans always complain...
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Old May 27th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #6395
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The works were suspended for about 69 years b/c the construction had been started for the "Strecke 85" at that time.

This must be a typo, right?
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Yep, but PPP is "bad". See discussion about A7 PPP in Lower Saxony. Germany love to complain about stucking in congestions but there is no adequate advance. The funding discussion of the past years is lapsed because of the "unexpected" disrepaired viaducts and bridges..........

PS: I agree. I'd like to focus on very important transit projects, it is planned to create a "very urgent transit demand" category with the new BVWP but lack of money is lack of money....
But they did find 9-11 billion euro p.a. for the early retirement package
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They should rearrange funding priorities in Germany. Instead of widening or building a few kilometers at a time, there should be funding for the entire project at once, and postpone other less important projects.
Do I have to remind you that the A 20 itself is one of the rather less important projects? Widening schemes of vital trunk routes and life-supporting maintenance of the most crucial pieces of the existing road infrastructure is vastly more important than a motorway through the rural areas around Hamburg.
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25. Dreieck Wittstock:



26. After Dreieck Wittstock there is no more the 130 speed limit, and traffic is lighter:



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