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Old May 29th, 2014, 02:23 PM   #6421
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Old May 29th, 2014, 02:39 PM   #6422
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Old May 29th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #6423
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Picture I took a while ago on the A8 just before Inntal Dreieck, warning people that toll vignettes now applies right from the border on the Austrian A12.
Didn't it always apply from the border in the case of Austria?

It's always been one particularly annoying aspect about Austria - instead of allowing traffic to exit at the first possible junction, you're actually forced into buying a vignette from the border.

Slovenia apparently doesn't enforce it until after the first junction.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 03:08 PM   #6424
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No, on the A12 it only applied from exit Kufstein Süd onwards until not long ago. Extending it to the border has upset both the Tyrolian and Bavarian locals, causing storms of protests on both sides of the border. But they've pushed it through anyway.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:30 PM   #6425
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No, on the A12 it only applied from exit Kufstein Süd onwards until not long ago. Extending it to the border has upset both the Tyrolian and Bavarian locals, causing storms of protests on both sides of the border. But they've pushed it through anyway.
Unbelievable. I really dislike such things - a tourist with no knowledge of Austrian vignettes could easily find themselves in trouble. It also looks like there isn't anywhere to buy the Austrian vignette at the border, only from what appears to be the old border crossing on the German side - at an inflated price, no doubt.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #6426
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You can buy vignettes at nearly all German petrol stations in Bavaria and prices are always the same. German signs also warns drivers that vignettes are obligatory, and if you intend to visit new countries, it's up to you to be well prepared. A lot of countries have a vignette system in central Europe.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #6427
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The German restareas and the ADAC sell the Austrian Vignettes for the same price, like at Austria. The price is: 8,50€ for minimum 10 days.
The last chance before the border is Rastanlage Inntal, which is at the old bordercrossing.
The first restarea at Austria is ~ 13km after the Border.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 09:34 AM   #6428
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You can buy vignettes at nearly all German petrol stations in Bavaria and prices are always the same.
That's a welcome change - usually buying a vignette in a foreign country involves extra costs. I remember once being quoted something like 4 euro extra just to buy a Czech vignette in Austria (at the border)! Another time - I thought about buying all the vignettes in advance from a shop on the Polish side of the Czech border. Even allowing for currency conversion, it ended up being something around 15 Euro more expensive just to buy the CZ/SK/A vignettes in one go.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 11:42 AM   #6429
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I think this is due to currency ratios. You spend more also when you buy Swiss vignettes in Italy.

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Old May 30th, 2014, 12:00 PM   #6430
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I don't know about Swiss vignettes. I bought mine at an Austrian service station before the border, but I know that in Switzerland you can pay for it in euros as well.

As for Austrian vignettes... At most German petrol stations you can pay for those vignettes in cash only, no cards. This is purely because the Germans are not making any money at all on the vignette sale, thus isn't it worth the transactions costs when purchasing them by cards.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 01:23 PM   #6431
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you can order the Swiss Vignette via Internet at the Deutsche Post (E-Filiale) in B2C and pay via Credit Card without any fees.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 01:52 PM   #6432
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Most people want to buy vignettes en route without hassle.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #6433
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I don't know about Swiss vignettes. I bought mine at an Austrian service station before the border, but I know that in Switzerland you can pay for it in euros as well.

As for Austrian vignettes... At most German petrol stations you can pay for those vignettes in cash only, no cards. This is purely because the Germans are not making any money at all on the vignette sale, thus isn't it worth the transactions costs when purchasing them by cards.
I usually buy it in German A3 (Bayerischer Wald or Jura gas stations) and pay with my EC-Card. The price is the same as in Austria, € 8.50.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 07:54 PM   #6434
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Official proposal list BVWP 2015

The proposal list for the BVWP 2015 was recently published, see press release.
It contains about 1,500 road projects, 1,000 railway projects and 46 waterway projects. The focus is on eliminating bottlenecks on main traffic arteries. The next step is to complete the data, remove duplicated and to merge projects. The evaluation (e.g. cost-benefit analysis) will start in the 2nd half-year 2014 and will last far into 2015. Afterwards, the projects will be categorized (priorities).

Preliminary list for road projects (version of 20th March 2014): > click <.

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Note: The list contains mistakes!
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Old May 30th, 2014, 09:23 PM   #6435
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The problem is traffic between Rosenheim and St. Johann / Kitzbühel / Felbertauernstraße, wich would leave the A 12 as soon as Wörgl or even Kufstein-Süd. For this short distance, a vignette would be waste, so people will instead leave the A 83 on the German side at Kiefersfelden and then riding right through Kufstein on the L 171 to reach L 173.

A "Korridorlösung" like at Bregenz seems not to be a solution, since the distance to the Kufstein-Süd exist from the border is just a few hundred meters. Who would buy a vignette for that?

So the old solution, "no controls between the bordfer and Kufstein-Süd" was more or less the best one. I wonder why they changed it.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #6436
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To generate more money and upset the locals. I think they got rid of the corridor vignette in Vorarlberg as well.
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Old May 31st, 2014, 01:18 PM   #6437
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Official proposal list BVWP 2015

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The proposal list for the BVWP 2015 was recently published, see press release.
Preliminary list for road projects (version of 20th March 2014): > click <.
Note: The list contains mistakes!
A list with all new Autobahn projects (w/o widenings and no Autobahn-like B road projects). The list does only contain projects which are not yet completely u/c. I've tried to show which network gaps will be closed (b/n which Autobahns) and I've added the length of the left gaps (including u/c sections):

A1 ~25km Blankenheim (A61) - Kelberg (A48); North Rhine-Westphalia / Rhineland-Palatinate
A1/A623 ~5km Saarbrücken (A8 - A620); Saarland
A8 ~8km Albaufstieg (new alignment b/n Stuttgart and Ulm); Baden-Württemberg
A14 ~155km Schwerin (A24) - Magdeburg (A2); partly u/c; Mecklenburg-West Pemerania / Brandenburg / Saxony-Anhalt
A20 ~200km Westerstede (A28) - Bad Segeberg (A21); Lower Saxony / Schleswig-Holstein
A21 ~70km Eastern Hamburg bypass (Kiel (A210) - Lüneburg (A39)); partly completed or u/c; Schlewsig-Holstein / Lower Saxony
A25 ~3km Geesthacht bypass (A1 - A21); formerly planned as B5, eastern part of bypass remains B5; Schleswig-Holstein
A26 ~45km Drochtersen (A20) - Hamburg (A1); partly completed or u/c; Lower Saxony / Hamburg
A33 ~11km Osnabrück (A1 - A30); Lower Saxony
A39 ~100km Lüneburg - Wolfsburg (A7 - A2); Lower Saxony
A40 ~13km Dortmund (A45 - A1); B1 upgrade; North Rhine-Westphalia
A44 ~4km Essen (Ruhrallee tunnel; A52 - A535); North Rhine-Westphalia
A44 ~70km Kassel (A7) - Eisenach (A4); partly completed or u/c; Hesse
A46 ~19km Menden (A45) - Arnsberg (A445); North Rhine-Westphalia
A49 ~42km Kassel (A44) - Gemünden (A5); partly u/c; Hesse
A52 ~15km Essen (north of A2 - A40); North Rhine-Westphalia
A64 ~8km Northern Trier bypass (Luxemburg - A1); Rhineland-Palatinate
A66 2.6km Frankfurt Riederwald tunnel (A661 - A45); preliminary works ongoing; Hesse
A71 ~40km Plötzkau (A14) - Südharz (A38); NEW; Saxony-Anhalt
A72 ~16km Leipzig (A38) - Chemnitz (A4); only one section not yet u/c; Saxony
A94 ~80km München (A99) - Passau (A3); partly completed or u/c; Bavaria
A98 ~35km Hochrhein (A861) - Waldshut-Tiengen (w/o connection to A81 or A4.ch); partly completed or u/c; Baden-Württemberg
A100 6.3km Berlin; one section u/c; Berlin
A143 12.4km Halle (A14 - A38); Saxony-Anhalt
A281 ~15km Bremen (A27 - A1); partly completed or u/c, southern part planned as B6; Bremen
A445 ~8km Hamm (A2) - Werl (A44); North Rhine-Westphalia
A524 ~10km Krefeld (A57) - Duisburg (A59); North Rhine-Westphalia
A860 ~2km Freiburg city tunnel; plus redediction of existing B31, formerly planned as B31; Baden-Württemberg

If required, I could give you a little overview about the status of the projects.

About 50% (~650 of 1300km) of the length of the projects are in Northern Germany (Schleswig-Holstein, Lower Saxony, Hamburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Brandenburg, Saxony-Anhalt). A20, A21, A25, A26 and A39 (~420km; ~30%) form a network to relieve the Hamburg region, mainly A1 and A7.

In addition, there are a lot of Autobahn-like B road projects.

Some projects of the BVWP 2003 are not part of the current proposal list:
A4 ~88km Hesse (A45 - A5); the western part in North Rhine-Westphalia was already not part of the BVWP 2003; Hesse
A66 ~3km Frankfurt Miquelallee (A5 - A661); Hesse
A480 ~10km Wetzlar (A45 - A5); Hesse

The projects were already "dead".
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Old May 31st, 2014, 04:51 PM   #6438
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A list with all new Autobahn projects (w/o widenings and no Autobahn-like B road projects). The list does only contain projects which are not yet completely u/c. I've tried to show which network gaps will be closed (b/n which Autobahns) and I've added the length of the left gaps (including u/c sections):
HI,

Is there somewhere the new railways projects? I'm looking for the "Rhein-Neckar NBS" project status ?

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Preliminary BVWP 2015 proposal lists for:
- Railway projects
- Waterway projects
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Old May 31st, 2014, 07:46 PM   #6440
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A39 ~100km Lüneburg - Wolfsburg (A7 - A2); Lower Saxony
How necessary is this link? They are already constructing the A14 from Magdeburg to Schwerin, so I think adding some passing lanes and a bypass for the last few villages on B4 would suffice...

Especially with the funding gaps in Germany, this money could be put to better use.
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