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Old June 3rd, 2014, 01:20 PM   #6461
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UK also has too much money to spend on roads that don't need fixing either.
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 06:57 PM   #6462
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For what did they dig the A9/A3 route up again for? They only just finished it...
A9 b/n Munich and Ingolstadt: works for future shoulder running.
A3 west of AK Fürth/Erlangen: Replacing the Rhine-Main-Danube-Canal-Bridge. That's the first step for 2x3 widening b/n A7 and A73. I drove there once in the past weeks and it was very congested in the afternoon (2PM - on a Thursday IIRC).
The A3 works near Würzburg are no problem, but the viaduct replacement should begin this summer which will affect to traffic.
A3 east of Aschaffenburg: 2x3 widening ongoing.
A3 near Limburg: Renovation of 9 bridges and replacement of the viaduct near Limburg.
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 07:12 PM   #6463
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Leaving tomorrow 9am Mayrhofen to Haarlem. I always preferred A9/A3. I don't like the Stuttgart option. What is your suggestion, Michi?
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 07:16 PM   #6464
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Reutte-Ulm-Stuttgart crossed my mind. I just don't like sitting in dickhead traffic all day. That's why I always prefer A3. Stuttgart is always congested.
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 07:36 PM   #6465
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I would take A9/A3 anyway .
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 07:45 PM   #6466
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You're a star! And that's what I'm doing!
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 07:53 PM   #6467
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I've just answered what they are doing there .

I will also drive on the A3 tomorrow but I will start at 6AM so I will be off when you will arrive there .
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 08:36 PM   #6468
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From where to where? Have a safe one!
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 08:40 PM   #6469
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On A3 from west of Würzburg to Koblenz.
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 08:52 PM   #6470
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You should avoid this Autobahns next weekend :
source: welt.de

I like the A6 west of Frankfurt .
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 09:54 PM   #6471
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Beautiful. Just like if A1 and A3 (from all directions towards Leverkusen) weren't congested every day :-)
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 09:57 PM   #6472
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Yeah. I've got some business to attend to here, so I'm leaving at 9am, just in time to join the Cologne rush hour.
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Old June 3rd, 2014, 11:39 PM   #6473
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I think the A39 is more important than the A14. Many people had preferred having a X solution (Hamburg - Magdeburg and Wolfsburg - Schwerin) like the A61/A63 in Rhineland-Palatinate instead of the H solution (the "-" would be the new B190n).
I agree with the X solution. I think Hamburg - Magdeburg is the more important one, followed by Wolfsburg - Schwerin.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #6474
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Neither X nor H is that urgently needed. Better spent the money for upgrading existing lines, especially around Stuttgart, Frankfurt and Rhein/Ruhr.
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Old June 4th, 2014, 07:57 PM   #6475
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TomTom Congestion Index

http://www.tomtom.com/news/category....014&Language=3

1. Stuttgart 29% (-4% zum Vorjahr)
2. Hamburg 28% (-3%)
3. Berlin 27% (-2%)
4. München 26% (+2%)
5. Köln 25% (-3%)
6. Frankfurt am Main 24% (+2%)
7. Düsseldorf 19% (+1%)
8. Westl. Ruhrgebiet 19% (+1%)
9. Bremen 17% (+2%)
10. Östl. Ruhrgebiet 17% (+1%)
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Old June 4th, 2014, 09:01 PM   #6476
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I agree with the X solution. I think Hamburg - Magdeburg is the more important one, followed by Wolfsburg - Schwerin.
I think Hamburg - Wolfsburg is more important than Wolfsburg - Schwerin.
1. Hamburg - Magedeburg
2. Hamburg - Wolfsburg
3. Schwerin - Magdeburg
4. Schwerin - Wolfsburg

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Neither X nor H is that urgently needed. Better spent the money for upgrading existing lines, especially around Stuttgart, Frankfurt and Rhein/Ruhr.
I agree regarding Frankfurt: A66/A661 completion, A3 2x4 from the NRW border to the Bavarian border and A5 2x5 from Gambach to Darmstadt etcetera would be sufficient (and more urgent than A39 etcetera) b/c there are also alternatives routes (A66, A67, A45, A60, A61,...).

But even 2x4 A81 b/n Heilbronn and Böblingen, 2x5 A8 Leonberg - AK Stuttgart, 2x4 AK Stuttgart - Wendlingen would not solve the Stuttgart congestion problem. Stuttgart needs alternative routes, not simple upgrades.

Rhein/Ruhr.... I don't think that the problem can be reduced significantly by simple upgrades of existing Autobahns.

I think it is necessary to create a good Autobahn network in the north too (e.g. to relieve Hamburg). The priority is a different story. The German budget plan is state dependent, not arranged to the demand. I think there is a chance to build A14 (mostly EU funded), A20, A21, A25, A26 and A39 within the next 20..30 years. I prefer alternative routes instead of widen existing routes to 2x4 or 2x5 (A1, A7).
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Old June 5th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #6477
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Well, if more than 400km (of overall hardly more than 1000km) of completeley new stretches are "needed" to relieve a rather small urban area of 2,5 million inhabitants (with a metro area of less then 4 million), than there's something wrong. I am ok with completion of A23, A26 and the stretches of A20 between A1 and A7 as well as A21 between A1 and A25. But everything else is a bit over the top.
I agree that Stuttgart would need the formerly planned southern part of the A45 Mundelsheim - Plochingen, but this one is quite unrealistic. And even if it is built, I doubt that at least A8 Leonberg - Degerloch would not need 2x4 lanes.
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Old June 5th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #6478
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Well, if more than 400km (of overall hardly more than 1000km) of completeley new stretches are "needed" to relieve a rather small urban area of 2,5 million inhabitants (with a metro area of less then 4 million), than there's something wrong. I am ok with completion of A23, A26 and the stretches of A20 between A1 and A7 as well as A21 between A1 and A25. But everything else is a bit over the top.
It's not only to relieve Hamburg. The traffic will also increase through the new Fehmarnbelt crossing. Northern Germany is less developed than the south. There is no network yet.

But I agree, that the priorities should be different. As mentioned before, I think that the northern network will not be completed till 2040.

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I agree that Stuttgart would need the formerly planned southern part of the A45 Mundelsheim - Plochingen, but this one is quite unrealistic. And even if it is built, I doubt that at least A8 Leonberg - Degerloch would not need 2x4 lanes.
Agree. Both is needed. And more!
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Old June 5th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #6479
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A9 widening in Thuringia

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Reichsautobahn A9 Triptis - Schleiz

This video follows the A9 south, which still resembles the 1930's Reichsautobahn, with bad concrete, no shoulders and a narrow alignment. This is the last section to be widened to 2x3 lanes.
The northernmost 3km part is 2x3 in service now (OSM; source). The remaining 16km b/n Triptis and Schleiz will be completed until late 2014. It is a PPP project. The works began in October 2011. Project page.
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Old June 5th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #6480
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A94 Munich - Passau

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- The construction of the Lappachtalbrücke (OSM) started last week. The viaduct has a length of 287m and costs 14 million €. It is located on the A94 between AS Lengdorf and AS Dorfen. The PPP bidding for building the entire A94 from AS Pastetten to AS Heldenstein is announced to be probably started in 2015 .
The PPP was tendered, see press release. Contract time: 30 years. Construction time: 2016-2019. Length of road to be built: 33km. Length of road to be operated: 77km. See also tender.
There are four candidates. They will probably be asked in May 2014 to deliver a practical bid until late 2014. The PPP contract shall be placed in late 2015.
The A94 PPP contract shall be placed in fall 2015, the main works shall begin in early 2016 and the completion shall be at the latest in late September 2016 according to an announcement of the ABDSB (road authority of southern Bavaria). Still 4 cancidates. They got the detailed documents now. The concession section is b/n Pastetten and Marktl (77km; 30 years). The company will not get the truck toll incomes b/c it is too difficult for the company to calculate the incomes. They will get money from the German state. Source.
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