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Old July 3rd, 2014, 07:07 PM   #6581
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Abrupt altitude differences are best dealt with through tunnels. That way you can avoid steep stretches with snaking roadways, much like the Jagdbergtunnel near Jena, or Tunnel Götschka in Austrian S10 north of Linz.
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How it could look like...
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Old July 5th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #6583
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B10 Rosensteintunnel in Stuttgart

The B10 Rosensteintunnel project in Stuttgart is u/c now (OSM). The B10 is a main road through Stuttgart. The project will be completed until late 2019. Costs: 231 million €.



The Rosensteintunnel has a length of 1300 m. It will feature 2x2 lanes. The project also contains a new 3-tubed Leuze tunnel at the B10/B14 intersection in the south. Its longest tube has a length of 300m.

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- Flyer (5 pages)
- Presentation (28 pages
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One intersection with traffic lights will remain south of the Leuzetunnel after completion (Uferstraße/Poststraße: OSM). The recently widened Heilbronner Straße b/n Friedrichswahl and Pragtunnel (OSM) will also remain with traffic lights. The Friedrichswahl area is planned to be upgraded.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #6584
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Mr. Dobrindt wants to publish his car toll concept on Monday.

The media has preliminary information: > click <.

The car toll for foreigners should be in force on all Geman roads. The concept is called "Einführung einer Infrastrukturabgabe auf dem deutschen öffentlichen Straßennetz" (Launch of an infrastructure fee on the publish German road network"). A 10-day-vignette should cost 10 €, a 2-month-vignette should cost 20 €. An annual vignette will depend on the eco class and on the engine displacement like the future car tax for German cars (to be launched in 2016). Annual incomes: 800 million €, 600 million € after all costs.
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Old July 5th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #6585
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I like the fact German has a specific word to describe structures where height difference is more important than grade-separation over the obstacle - talbrück.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 01:43 PM   #6586
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A8 Karlsruhe - Pforzheim

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AS Karlsbad – AS Pforzheim-West (OSM; 9.1km; u/c August 2009 to Late 2015)
Some pics of the 2x3 A8 widening b/n Karlsbad and Pforzheim-West (click on the pic to get more pics):

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Old July 6th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #6587
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Old July 7th, 2014, 06:23 PM   #6588
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Mr. Dobrindt wants to publish his car toll concept on Monday.

The media has preliminary information: > click <.

The car toll for foreigners should be in force on all Geman roads. The concept is called "Einführung einer Infrastrukturabgabe auf dem deutschen öffentlichen Straßennetz" (Launch of an infrastructure fee on the publish German road network"). A 10-day-vignette should cost 10 €, a 2-month-vignette should cost 20 €. An annual vignette will depend on the eco class and on the engine displacement like the future car tax for German cars (to be launched in 2016). Annual incomes: 800 million €, 600 million € after all costs.
Here, the official press release and the concept with example for a VW Passat 5 (Diesel, 2012, 2.0l --> 104.50 €), VM Polo 1.2 TSI (Gasoline, 2013, 1.2l --> 24.00 €), VW Golf 5 (Diesel, 2003, 1.9l --> 108.08 €) and Honda Jazz 1.4LS (Gasoline, 2003, 1.4l --> 94,50 €). The new German car tax will affect lower costs than today .
It is planned to launch the infrastucture fee on 1st January 2016. You can pay the fee via internet or at gas station.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #6589
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Two things about the vignette;

* it's apparently an old-school physical vignette which you have to attach to the wind shield. I expected an e-vignette. This also makes it difficult to pre-order it on the internet if you want to make a trip to Germany without prior planning. You need to go by a gas station.

* the vignette will hurt businesses in Germany along the border. Cross-border shopping will be impeded if frequent shoppers will have to pay around € 100 per year.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 06:53 PM   #6590
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So this new vignette will only affect foreigners and Germans will get it for FREE and additionally pay LESS car tax than today?

Ausgezeichnet!

BTW: Let´s be clear here: Of course nobody is forced to drive through Germany. Everyone can choose a route around Deutschland to avoid the Infrastrukturabgabe.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #6591
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In pictures: Hitler's autobahn dream.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8691249.stm
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Old July 7th, 2014, 07:13 PM   #6592
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it will be interesting how EU will react.

not to forget, EU forced Slovenia in 2008 to introduce cheaper short-term vignette because of the "discrimination of foreign drivers". at that time, there was half year vignette for 35€, and year vignette for 55€. and that was for ALL drivers, regardless of nationality.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #6593
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Two things about the vignette;

* it's apparently an old-school physical vignette which you have to attach to the wind shield. I expected an e-vignette. This also makes it difficult to pre-order it on the internet if you want to make a trip to Germany without prior planning. You need to go by a gas station.

* the vignette will hurt businesses in Germany along the border. Cross-border shopping will be impeded if frequent shoppers will have to pay around € 100 per year.
I work in cross border business btw

I don't believe the vignette will come as it is. It is as if you were demanding an entrance fee to enter Germany. This is, as I see it, clearly against the spirit of the EU in general, especially against the principal of free movement of people in the Schengen area. We have just torn down border barriers, now they want to build a fiscal barrier? I don't believe so.

The first reactions are - well are there any at all? SPD's secretary general was very reluctant ("not convinced") no other politician - let alone ministers - have reacted by now, have they?
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The first reactions are - well are there any at all? SPD's secretary general was very reluctant ("not convinced") no other politician - let alone ministers - have reacted by now, have they?
Some press releases of state's minister of transport:
- Saxony
- Brandenburg
- Lower Saxony
- Rhineland-Palatinate
- Baden-Württemberg (District council Freiburg)

They want to check the proposal and they want to get money too!
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Old July 7th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #6595
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In pictures: Hitler's autobahn dream.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/8691249.stm
Where was the last pic taken? The one with railway tracks in the median.
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It could be A40 in Essen.
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The annual vignette is dependent on engine size and fuel type. In my case, € 24. However, if you buy an annual vignette at a fuel station, the price is fixed at € 103.04 for a petrol car.
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Where was the last pic taken? The one with railway tracks in the median.
Look at the cars, these are quite recent models. I'd say the pic is no older than 5 years.
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I think it is the A40 at Essen actually. It's the only motorway in Germany I know with a railtrack in the middle. And also judging by the numberplates...
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