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Old July 31st, 2014, 09:46 PM   #6821
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source: Süddeutsche Zeitung

3 tunnels are planned. The Oberau tunnel (groundbreaking fall 2015, completion >= 2021), the Auberg tunnel (north of Oberau) and the B23 Kramer tunnel (2-laned Garmisch bypass; preliminary works have begun in July 2010 but there's a problem with the rocks which requests modifications of the planning). Total costs: ~ 500 million €. They've forgot the B2 Wank tunnel (2-laned Partenkirchen bypass) which is in an earlier planning stage.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 05:57 PM   #6822
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Old August 1st, 2014, 06:08 PM   #6823
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Approved funding / upcoming groundbreaking

There's a list of all Bavarian projects (source). Additional projects:

- A3 2x3 widening Marktheidenfeld - Wertheim (~8km [16km in total]; OSM; ~60 million €; plan approval order: October 2008; groundbreaking: 2015?)
- A6 2x3 widening AK Nuremberg-South - AK Nuremberg-East (3.7km; OSM; ~35 million €; plan approval order: September 2009; groundbreaking: 2015?; completion: Late 2016)
- B2 Dettenheim bypass plus 2+1 widening (4.7km; OSM; 12 million €; plan approval order: May 2012; groundbreaking: Fall 2014)
- B85 Neubäu bypass (preliminary works only; OSM)
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Old August 1st, 2014, 09:50 PM   #6824
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Approved funding / upcoming groundbreaking

- A8 2x2 widening Merzig-Wellingen - Merzig-Schwellingen (3.5km; OSM; 38 million €; plan approval order: Early 2014?; groundbreaking: Fall 2014; source)
- A44 2x2 Waldkappel - Hoheneiche (7.2km; OSM; 224 million €; plan approval order: October 2011; groundbreaking: Spring 2015; source)
- B62 Leimbach bypass (4.5km; OSM; 16 million €; plan approval order: December 2011; groundbreaking: Frühjahr 2015; source)
- B90 Traßdorf - Nahwinden (13.8km; OSM; 46 million €; plan approval order: February 2010; groundbreaking: August 2013; source)

I hate this damn "groundbreaking policy". I hate that the Federal Government does not provide a list with all projects. The news are published by members of the Bundestag or by state's Ministry of Transport. I guess I have to add the remaining 90-100 approved projects (building law) within the next days........
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Old August 1st, 2014, 09:56 PM   #6825
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At least there's some movement in road construction. I remember a lot of 'first sods' or 'green lights' just before the 2013 elections, and not much progress since. Now it's time to cash in those political promises.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 10:03 PM   #6826
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Yes, but it is stupid to begin dozens of projects at once. I'd prefer to begin a project, push it and complete it as soon as possible. Especially widening projects which cause congestion during construction.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:15 PM   #6827
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I drove through the whole country from north to south a fortnight ago and back last Wednesday. I saw lots and lots of roadworks on the way, more than I ever witnessed on my many drives on German motorways.

Things may be moving slowly, but they are moving, there is no doubt.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:28 PM   #6828
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I drove through the whole country from north to south a fortnight ago and back last Wednesday. I saw lots and lots of roadworks on the way, more than I ever witnessed on my many drives on German motorways.

Things may be moving slowly, but they are moving, there is no doubt.
Ongoing roadworks in Germany have been nonstop for decades now. They always seem to find something to. Also with the state some of the roads are in it is also necessary. Just as you were able to drive from Munich to Frankfurt absolutely roadwork-free they started again....
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:44 PM   #6829
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Well, I've no idea about all works but the last time no 2x3 widening works were ongoing on the A3 b/n Aschaffenburg and Würzburg was b/n the completion of the section AS Aschaffenburg-East - AS Hösbach in December 2004 (groundbreaking spring 2001) and the groundbreaking of the section AS Aschaffenburg(-West) - AS Aschaffenburg-East in October 2005. Since October 2005 always at least one section has been u/c. The announced completion of all sections is fall 2019 but the A3 b/n Würzburg and Nuremberg will also be upgraded "soon".
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:45 PM   #6830
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Yeah, it's horrible, sometimes a nightmare to drive here. And taking the train is also not better. My gf had to drive to Munich and back last weekend on Saturday and Sunday. Every time coming back it was over 1 hour late...
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A while ago I have been warned not to use my favourite A3 route and go via Stuttgart instead...
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:10 PM   #6832
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It appears that road works also have more traffic impact in Germany than elsewhere. The lanes through the work zone are often extremely narrow with a 60 kph speed limit. I've read that in Germany about 35% of traffic congestion is due to road works, to compare, this was only 5% in the Netherlands over the past few years despite a large number of road widening projects.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:27 PM   #6833
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I've read that in Germany about 35% of traffic congestion is due to road works
I also thought that about 1/3 are caused by road works.

Here a stats from 2005 (German Autobahns):
(wikipedia)

And a stats from 2008 (German arterial roads - "Fernstraßen"): > click <.
66% dense traffic volume (hohes Verkehrsaufkommen)
16% accidents (Unfälle)
15% road works (Baustellen)
3% demaged vehicles

Don't ever trust statistics that you haven't falsified yourself...
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:35 PM   #6834
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The worst is a combination of high traffic and an accident in a work zone
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 01:47 PM   #6835
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The worst is a combination of high traffic and a rear-end collision accident caused by a demaged vehicle stranded in a work zone
In this case, you have 100% bad luck
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 02:03 PM   #6836
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And a detour is imperative in that case. You may lose even several hours,combine the extreme heat and the hell is unleashed.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 04:08 PM   #6837
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All this facts described above have a quite simple answer: Compared to other countries especially west and south Germany has meanwhile a tiny and low capacity motorway network taking into account
1) The population density of Germany
2) The fact beeing right in the heart of Europe
3) The recent economic success of Germany

All major motorways should have been 3+3 with 4+4 or 5+5 within the urban areas 15 years ago! And the situation for the railway is even worse. But since abou 2/3 of tge budget goes into social welfare......
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 04:31 PM   #6838
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The worst is a combination of high traffic and an accident in a work zone
The worst is a combination of dense traffic and multiple accidents in a construction zone during a summertime ice storm, with a landslide (like the CZ D8) plus a meteor strike and the outbreak of war.
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And the situation for the railway is even worse.
Despite the poor conditions of many railway bridges, the rate of spending on railways is actually much higher than on the federal road network.

Federal spending;

* Eisenbahnen des Bundes: € 10.1 billion
* Bundesfernstraßen: € 7.1 billion

www.bundeshaushalt-info.de

The passenger kilometers by mode:
* Autobahn: 222 billion km
* Bundesstraße: 108.4 billion km
* DB Eisenbahnen: 88.7 billion km

http://de.statista.com/statistik/dat...n-deutschland/
http://www.bast.de/DE/Presse/Downloa...ublicationFile
http://de.statista.com/statistik/dat...rsonenverkehr/

Federal spending per 1 billion passenger km:
* Federal roads: € 21 million
* Federal railways: € 114 million
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 06:15 PM   #6840
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I noticed that in German sometimes tunnels are named as "Tunnel NAME", sometimes "NAMEer Tunnel" (Name's tunnel). In this example, there are Tunnel Oberau and Kramertunnel. Why is that, rather than Oberauer Tunnel and Tunnel Kramen, for instance?

Another example, this rail tunnel can also be called Rastatter Tunnel (Rastatt's tunnel), but is more often called Tunnel Rastatt. What is the rule?
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