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Old August 2nd, 2014, 06:25 PM   #6841
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No idea........ The naming of interchanges (AD and AK) is state's dependent. Some call the interchange like a town or village, some like the countryside....
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 09:16 PM   #6842
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A14/A24 AK Schwerin

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Old August 3rd, 2014, 12:20 AM   #6843
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It appears that road works also have more traffic impact in Germany than elsewhere. The lanes through the work zone are often extremely narrow with a 60 kph speed limit.
I have quite a small car, an Opel Corsa. But usually at road works I can't overtake a truck which is driving significantly slower than that crazy speed limit, because the lanes are so narrow.
And then the whole motorway drives 40 km/h, several kilometers long.
Once on A61 I've almost caused an accident. Limit was 60 km/h, I was driving in the left lane, a truck in the right lane beside me. Both of us drove approx. 60 km/h. And then suddenly the left lane was so narrow that I didn't feel safe to drive on side by side so I had to brake.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 12:27 AM   #6844
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Once I was with my RV in the right lane, and passed by a bump in the temporary barriers on the right... the truck in front of me rubbed its wheels against it, I sweeped a bit to the left and avoided it by inches... I believed those barriers were supposed to be fixed to the ground!
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 07:56 AM   #6845
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I have quite a small car, an Opel Corsa. But usually at road works I can't overtake a truck which is driving significantly slower than that crazy speed limit, because the lanes are so narrow.
And then the whole motorway drives 40 km/h, several kilometers long.
Once on A61 I've almost caused an accident. Limit was 60 km/h, I was driving in the left lane, a truck in the right lane beside me. Both of us drove approx. 60 km/h. And then suddenly the left lane was so narrow that I didn't feel safe to drive on side by side so I had to brake.
As far as I know, the minimum width for a temporary motorway lane during construction is 2.0 meters. The width of an Opel Corsa, depending on year, ranges from 1.532 to 1.737 meters.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 09:35 AM   #6846
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That width doesn't include mirrors. The margin of error is really low.

The motorway work zone speed limit in the Netherlands is usually 90 km/h, sometimes 70 km/h. They recently widened the A10 around Amsterdam, but the road works had as good as no impact on traffic congestion.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 10:57 AM   #6847
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There are usually signs that it is not allowed to use the left lane if your car has a width of more than 2.0m. It's with mirrors but in your documents the width is always w/o mirrors! As far as I know most of all cars which are registered in Germany have more than 2.0m (I guess including my car ). That means, the left lane should always be very empty, but it isn't! I still feel very safe using the left lane but I try to pass trucks as fast as possible to avoid to drive side by side. The standard speed limit is 80km/h.

There are four attempts to improve the situation:
1. Reduce the speed limit to 60 km/h
2. Forbid overtaking, cars should drive staggered
3. Allow car width of 2.1m on the left lane
4. Reduce the number of lanes (2+1 instead of 2x2)

3. is often only possible in combination with 4.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:20 AM   #6848
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A44 Kassel - Eisenach

Some aerials of the A44 (unfortunately w/o comments of the definite location but I guess it is west to east from Helsa to Waldkappel; source: HNA online, Hessisch Niedersächsische Allgemeine):

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A44 summary:
- 2 sections are in service (6.5km, since 2005 or last week)
- 3 sections are u/c (16.5km; estimated opening in 2016/18)
- 1 section is funded, groundbreaking spring 2015 (7.2km)
- 3 sections have building law, not yet funded (21.6km)
- 1 section is still in planning stage, plan approval procedure should been restarted 'soon' (11.3km; it's the most important, the western-most section)
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:22 AM   #6849
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HNA called it the 'most expensive motorway in the world'.

One has to be very careful with claims like that
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:23 AM   #6850
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They are not right, the A100 in Berlin is usually called the 'most expensive motorway in the world' .
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:35 AM   #6851
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There are four attempts to improve the situation:
1. Reduce the speed limit to 60 km/h
2. Forbid overtaking, cars should drive staggered
3. Allow car width of 2.1m on the left lane
4. Reduce the number of lanes (2+1 instead of 2x2)

3. is often only possible in combination with 4.
2. I drove through some Baustellen where overtaking is forbidden, still many drivers overtake. I have to say I don't feel very comfortable on that left lane, especially if besides a truck and in curves.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:40 AM   #6852
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They are not right, the A100 in Berlin is usually called the 'most expensive motorway in the world' .
I-80 in San Francisco has cost over € 1.5 billion per kilometer
(the eastern span of the San Francisco Bay Bridge replacement cost $ 6.5 billion for 3.1 km)
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:47 AM   #6853
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Germans are world champion, also in building Autobahns. Please let them believe that .

PS: Wasn't the Boston project the most expensive one?
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 12:11 PM   #6854
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29th July 2014: B327 Kastellaun bypass (4.7km; OSM; u/c since August 2011)
29th July 2014: B256 Kruft bypass (3.5km; OSM; u/c since December 2009)


2nd < 11th August 2014: A8 2x3 widening b/n Adelsried and Neusäß (8.2km; OSM; u/c since August 2011)
26th August 2014: B28 Oberkirch and Lautenbach bypass (4.5km; OSM; u/c since May 2007)
28th August 2014: A1 2x3 widening b/n AK Münster-South (A43) and Dortmund-Ems-Canal bridge (3.2km; OSM; u/c since October 2012)
Late August 2014: B256 Rengsdorf bypass (4.2km; OSM; u/c since July 2006)
Late August 2014: B462 Dunningen bypass (6.4km; OSM; u/c since September 2009)
September August 2014: A62 2nd carriageway b/n south of Weselberg to Schwarzbach viaduct (3.6km; OSM; u/c since September 2013)

August 5th September 2014: B243 Bad Lauterberg - Bad Sachsa (8.6km; OSM; u/c since October 2008; 2x2)
13th September 2014: A66 Neuhof-South - Neuhof-North (4.6km; OSM; u/c since October 2005; 2x2)
13th September 2014: B25 Wallerstein and Ehringen bypass (3.6 km; OSM; u/c since June 2013; partial 2+1)
17th September 2014: A4 Düren - Kerpen [direction Cologne] (11.6km; OSM; u/c since September 2008; 1x3)
20th September 2014: A4 Düren - Kerpen [direction Aachen] (11.6km; OSM; u/c since September 2008; 2x3)
Until Mid September 2014: A8 2x3 widening b/n Günzburg and west of Burgau (7.3km; OSM; u/c since August 2011)
Mid September 2014: B255 Niederahr - Oberahr (2.3km; OSM; u/c since July 2007)
September 2014: A4 Magdala - Jena-Göschwitz (11.8km; OSM; u/c since May 2007; 2x3)
September 2014: B85 2+1 widening b/n March and Metten (1.5km; OSM; u/c since August 2013)
September 2014: B521 Nidderau bypass, 1st section (1.7km; OSM; u/c since September 2009)
September 2014: B41 2x2 widening Ingelheim-West (A60) - Ingelheim (0.7km; OSM; u/c since September 2013)
Late 29th September 2014: A281 Bremen-Seehausen - Bremen-Strom (4.1km; OSM; u/c since April 2009; 2x2)
Until Mid Late September 2014: A8 2x3 widening b/n east of Burgau and Zusmarshausen (5.7km; OSM; u/c since August 2011)
Sources: > click < (A8), > click < (A62), > click < (A281), > click < (B243). I've no idea why I've forgot the B256 and B462 .

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The A8 widening is coming along quite nicely.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 12:42 PM   #6856
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Yes, between Ulm and Augsburg. 50% will be 2x3 by late September 2014, the rest by September 2015. It's a PPP project.

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Old August 3rd, 2014, 12:44 PM   #6857
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There are usually signs that it is not allowed to use the left lane if your car has a width of more than 2.0m. It's with mirrors but in your documents the width is always w/o mirrors! As far as I know most of all cars which are registered in Germany have more than 2.0m (I guess including my car ). That means, the left lane should always be very empty, but it isn't! I still feel very safe using the left lane but I try to pass trucks as fast as possible to avoid to drive side by side. The standard speed limit is 80km/h.

There are four attempts to improve the situation:
1. Reduce the speed limit to 60 km/h
2. Forbid overtaking, cars should drive staggered
3. Allow car width of 2.1m on the left lane
4. Reduce the number of lanes (2+1 instead of 2x2)

3. is often only possible in combination with 4.
Come on now, the width which is in the papers must be incl. mirrors (Width over all - Breite über alles). And truly, many cars are over 2,0m.
But I have seen the tendency to allow 2,10-2,15 sometimes even 2,20 on motorway roadworks.

What I found dangerous is to go at (the signed) 60 kph in the right lane when the truck behind me didn't agree with that. Resulting in extremely aggressive tailgating, honking and headlight flashing. On the other hand side, speed controls have increased considerably, especially in roadwork areas.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 01:18 PM   #6858
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50% will be 2x3 until late September 2014, the rest until September 2015.
Huh??? It will be 2x3 until (means all the time between now and) late September ... and then what will it be after September?

I thought it will be 2x2 until late September and then 2x3 after September. I'm confused. Did you mean that it will be 2x3 by late September? Or is it being widened from 2x3 to 2x4?
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 01:31 PM   #6859
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It's a PPP project. It comprises 6 sections. 3 sections will be 2x3 in service until late September 2014, the remaining 3 sections will be completed until September 2015 .
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 01:33 PM   #6860
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What is the current interest on PPP projects in Germany? Are there many of them? Do they usually get completed faster and cheaper than regular projects taken directly by states?
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