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Old August 19th, 2014, 12:36 AM   #6961
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I really miss the A8, its been a couple of years since i have been on this way.. not i use to drive through CZ, SK, Hungary to get to the balkans ..
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Old August 19th, 2014, 01:16 PM   #6962
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But if you look at the traffic volumes, A8 east of Rosenheim is clearly less important than some other motorways. It carries in the 45,000 - 60,000 vehicles per day range. Which is a fairly busy 2x2 motorway, but not very congested except during holiday peaks.
The quality of the traffic flow is not solely defined by traffic volume but also by geometric parameters of the road. As the gradient of this road is probably not so favourable considering the topography of the area and the time the road was designed and built, the quality of the traffic flow of this section of the A 8 is probably rather bad at times. Which makes a widening of the motorway desirable.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 01:22 PM   #6963
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Completion of the A94 will relieve some pressure from the A8.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 01:38 PM   #6964
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The bulk of holiday traffic uses A99 East, the "Ostumfahrung". That is where the congestions are. Coming from Nürnberg and heading towards Salzburg or Innsbruck there aren't that many alternatives for those who don't know the area. I do know the area, so coming from Nürnberg I head towards the airport and cut across via Markt Schwaben, Ebersberg and Bad Ailbing, only adding 10 mins to the journey as if the motorway is running normal. All minor B and L roads.
Just a thought that came into my mind: have they considered utilising the missing A93 link between Regensburg and Dreieck Inntal? It would take a lot of traffic away from Munich...
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Old August 19th, 2014, 04:56 PM   #6965
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Completion of the A94 will relieve some pressure from the A8.
I don't think so. Holiday traffic is Stuttgart/Nuremberg --> Salzburg/Innsbruck
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Old August 19th, 2014, 04:57 PM   #6966
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Just a thought that came into my mind: have they considered utilising the missing A93 link between Regensburg and Dreieck Inntal? It would take a lot of traffic away from Munich...
Of course. The project is called B15n. It will be completed b/n Regensburg and Landshut within this decade. It's planned to extend it to Rosenheim but..... NIMBYs........

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Old August 19th, 2014, 08:39 PM   #6967
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26th August 2014: B28 Oberkirch and Lautenbach bypass (4.5km; OSM; u/c since May 2007)
28th August 2014: A1 2x3 widening b/n AK Münster-South (A43) and Dortmund-Ems-Canal bridge (3.2km; OSM; u/c since October 2012)
Late 29th August 2014: B462 Dunningen bypass (6.4km; OSM; u/c since September 2009)
August 2014: A62 2nd carriageway b/n south of Weselberg to Schwarzbach viaduct (3.6km; OSM; u/c since September 2013)

5th September 2014: B243 Bad Lauterberg - Bad Sachsa (8.6km; OSM; u/c since October 2008; 2x2)
13th September 2014: A66 Neuhof-South - Neuhof-North (4.6km; OSM; u/c since October 2005; 2x2)
13th September 2014: B25 Wallerstein and Ehringen bypass (3.6 km; OSM; u/c since June 2013; partial 2+1)
17th September 2014: A4 Düren - Kerpen [direction Cologne] (11.6km; OSM; u/c since September 2008; 1x3)
20th September 2014: A4 Düren - Kerpen [direction Aachen] (11.6km; OSM; u/c since September 2008; 2x3)
Mid September 2014: A8 2x3 widening b/n Günzburg and west of Burgau (7.3km; OSM; u/c since August 2011)
Mid September 2014: B255 Niederahr - Oberahr (2.3km; OSM; u/c since July 2007)
September 2014: B85 2+1 widening b/n March and Metten (1.5km; OSM; u/c since August 2013)
September 2014: B41 2x2 widening Ingelheim-West (A60) - Ingelheim (0.7km; OSM; u/c since September 2013)
29th September 2014: A281 Bremen-Seehausen - Bremen-Strom (4.1km; OSM; u/c since April 2009; 2x2)
Late September 2014: A8 2x3 widening b/n east of Burgau and Zusmarshausen (5.7km; OSM; u/c since August 2011)
Late September2014:B256 Rengsdorf bypass (4.2km; OSM; u/c since July 2006)
Late September 2014: B521 Nidderau bypass, 1st section (1.7km; OSM; u/c since September 2009)

September Fall 2014: A4 Magdala - Jena-Göschwitz (11.8km; OSM; u/c since May 2007; 2x3)
B462 source**, B521 source and A4 source.

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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #6968
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I don't think so. Holiday traffic is Stuttgart/Nuremberg --> Salzburg/Innsbruck
Indeed. A94 will be appealing only for traffic from Munich to Linz/Vienna which isn't that high compared to the traffic towards Tauern and Brenner - especially on peak days of holiday travel.
Without a proper connection to Austrian Innkreisautobahn, A94 won't be a perfect alternative for lorries as well. And, already today, if A8 is clogged it can make sense to drive to Linz via Deggendorf-Passau.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:21 PM   #6969
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They should extend B462 to Haslach im Kinzgital
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:24 PM   #6970
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Why? Are you going to use it? Do you know the area? Do you know how difficult the terrain is over there? I think they've done a good job connecting it the way they have.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #6971
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They should extend B462 to Haslach im Kinzgital
The AADT between Schramberg and Rottweil, A81 (Dunningen is located here), is only about 14,000 vehicles/day (truck share 8%). ~8,000 b/n Schramberg and Schiltach (~10% trucks). Source. The Schramberg bypass is further demand (tunnel; many million €).

Between Schiltach and Hausach it's the B294. AADT 8,000..13,500 (8-10% truck share). Source. All villages have bypasses
Between Hausach and Haslach it's the B33. Haslach has not yet a bypass but the AADT is less than 20,000 vehicles, just 2,200 trucks (the planning procedure of the bypass is in an early stage, a lot of discussion (NIMBYs), maybe it could be 3-laned).

The AADT on the B33 between Haslach and Offenburg is also less than 20,000 vehicles/day (source) but a 2x2 section is u/c (5.4km, 2012-2016) and 2+1 widening sections are planned.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #6972
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I think NIMBY's have a right to speak their mind. Especially in areas like the Black Forest.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 11:05 PM   #6973
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Well, maybe NIMBY is the wrong word. Some want a very expensive tunnel. They've also discussed a short-term improvement: to optimize the conrol of the six traffic lights...

http://www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/in...70ec4597a.html
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Old August 19th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #6974
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Problem of A8 east of Munich is that it is old design on a hilly terrain(for Germany). If this road would be in Austria there would be many more tunnels, viaducts and straight parts.

As it is designed as it is, you get traffic jams just from topology of the road.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #6975
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You're talking about Irschenberg. That is indeed a bottleneck, subjected to congestions a lot of times. But there are steep motorways in Austria as well, also subject to congestion. A13 and A21 for example.
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Old August 19th, 2014, 11:30 PM   #6976
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It was built in the mid to late 1930s. Perhaps the world's first motorway in the mountains.

You can still see some of the old Reichsautobahn elements in some modernized motorways, for example the curvature on A7 south of Kassel.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 08:54 AM   #6977
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Problem of A8 east of Munich is that it is old design on a hilly terrain(for Germany). If this road would be in Austria there would be many more tunnels, viaducts and straight parts.
Given the historical context, it would look just the same if it were in Austria.
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Old August 20th, 2014, 04:20 PM   #6978
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A World War II bomb exploded at the Baustelle on A3 near Offenbach yesterday evening. They couldn't move the bomb, so it was exploded on-site, damaging the A3. It is closed for southbound traffic until Thursday.

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Old August 20th, 2014, 09:16 PM   #6979
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When will these WW2 bombs lose the ability to explode? Do they stay active until the casting cracks open and humidity corrodes the detonator?
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Old August 20th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #6980
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When will these WW2 bombs lose the ability to explode? Do they stay active until the casting cracks open and humidity corrodes the detonator?
In most cases, the detonator is already unreliable or useless. The WWII bombs being found now are generally detonated using new detonators. However, they can't just leave the bombs in place because they would be an attractive target for someone wanting to do deadly mischief.
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