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Old January 22nd, 2015, 07:38 PM   #7501
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very beautiful the longest strech i have drive is from wurzburg to when it connects with A9. I hope i one day could drive to passau and linz
I drove several times there. A3 from the Austrian border up to Montabaur, and back. A3 has 5 Danube bridges in Bavaria :-)
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 08:08 PM   #7502
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very beautiful the longest strech i have drive is from wurzburg to when it connects with A9. I hope i one day could drive to passau and linz
Boring road with bad pavement.
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 05:28 AM   #7503
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I guess it is how, "angst" is a word borrowed from the German
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Old January 23rd, 2015, 11:51 PM   #7504
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Old January 24th, 2015, 10:26 AM   #7505
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In addition, a 2x2 upgrade of B20 b/n A3 (Straubing) and A92 (Landau) is planned plus 2+1 upgrades up to Czech Republic (Straubing-Cham-Furth).
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Old January 25th, 2015, 10:47 AM   #7506
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The works of the 2nd carriageway were announced to be started on 15th January. It's announced to be completed by mid of December 2015 (source).
There is only a single underpass (under the DB route between Schwetzingen and MA-Rheinau) that has to be rebuilt really. Some work was also performed on the unused portion of the overpass at Plankstadt North. Iirc the offramps at Plankstadt North still have to be adapted.

After that they can lay the concrete for the second carriageway for the A655 err B535.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 11:13 AM   #7507
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(B535) There is only a single underpass (under the DB route between Schwetzingen and MA-Rheinau) that has to be rebuilt really. Some work was also performed on the unused portion of the overpass at Plankstadt North. Iirc the offramps at Plankstadt North still have to be adapted.
L597 bridge was also rebuilt (2nd pic):


The plan approval order was passed in 1994. Groundbreaking of the road was in 2002. The first section opened in 2006, the second section opened in 2010. It's 2x2 except 1.9km which are only 2-laned because the new bridges were designed for one carriageway only. The replacement of the bridges should directly start after opening of the 2nd section. It was announced to be completed by late 2013 (delayed by Mid 2015 now). Project page.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 09:29 PM   #7508
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A3 from Austrian border to A92 Deggendorf

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Old January 28th, 2015, 11:31 AM   #7509
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80 km/h speed limits on German non-motorway roads?

Statistic on non-motorway roads (Landstrassen)


I'm to lazy to translate

http://www.br.de/nachrichten/tempo-80-goslar-100.html
http://www.focus.de/auto/ratgeber/si...d_4430323.html
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Old January 28th, 2015, 12:02 PM   #7510
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They advocate to lower the speed limit to 80 km/h on country roads with a width of under 6 meters.

Which is not a terribly bad idea. They were never designed for 100 km/h, but on the other hand people generally don't drive 100 on curvy and narrow country roads anyway. I'm not sure if it makes that much of a difference.
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Old January 29th, 2015, 12:51 AM   #7511
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Speed limit rarely makes a difference, because drivers aren't stupid by nature and drive slow when needed

The big reduction in fatalities compared to injuries is interesting - improved emergency services?
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Old January 29th, 2015, 01:38 PM   #7512
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Mainly a vastly improved active and passive safety of vehicles. But progress in emergency medicine or intensified prosecution of drunken drivers certainly play their role, too.

So the key question is: How many accidents/casualties do actually happen with cars going between 80 and 100 kph? And what percentage of those wouldn't have happened with speeds up to 80 kph?

You can't neither stop the nutters from speeding nor avoid accidents due to reasons such as ice by limiting the allowed vmax. So I guess that it wouldn't make too much of a difference anyway.
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Old January 29th, 2015, 01:54 PM   #7513
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Speed limit rarely makes a difference, because drivers aren't stupid by nature and drive slow when needed
I vastly disagree. If that was true, there would be much less accidents. Drivers are people and people (majority of) ARE stupid.

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So the key question is: How many accidents/casualties do actually happen with cars going between 80 and 100 kph? And what percentage of those wouldn't have happened with speeds up to 80 kph?
I'm sure someone did the math. We should start searching online journals regarding traffic research.
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Old January 29th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #7514
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Most people already drive below 100 km/h in German two-lane roads, but forcing everyone to do so is just too much. I think the gain in road safety would be marginal. Plus, an eventual 80 km/h limit would be constantly ignored. Most drivers respect the current 100 km/h speed limit, is a speed you're comfortable with if the road is clear.
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Old January 29th, 2015, 08:29 PM   #7515
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Most people already drive below 100 km/h in German two-lane roads
No. Not at all (okay, my average speed is usually below 100km/h).
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Old January 29th, 2015, 08:34 PM   #7516
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Most people already drive below 100 km/h in German two-lane roads, but forcing everyone to do so is just too much. I think the gain in road safety would be marginal. Plus, an eventual 80 km/h limit would be constantly ignored. Most drivers respect the current 100 km/h speed limit, is a speed you're comfortable with if the road is clear.
The 80 km/h speed limit is proposed only for narrow (less than 6 meters) two-lanes roads. It makes sense, if you ask me.
I think that in Germany only some local roads are narrower than that. Remeber that in most countries the lane width required for new roads is 3.5-3.75m.
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Old January 29th, 2015, 08:49 PM   #7517
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If there's no snow, then I usually take such a small Kreisstraße (<6m), but nobody would drive 100km/h, even if it's allowed. Usually people drive 70km/h there and in bad curves, most people slow down to 60km/h. I would say it's deadly, driving more than 80km/h on this road and I've never seen anybody driving so fast.

So I don't see the need for another rule which is totally unnecessary.

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Old January 29th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #7518
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It's just an idea for roads <6m. How should a common driver know that the road is <6m and maximum 80km/h are allowed? It's only possible by arranging a speed limit sign there. What's the difference from today? I guess it would be a general regulation for road authority that 80km/h sign must be arranged there within 10 or 20 years....

To be honest, I know a lot of <6m roads w/o curves etcetera where you can safely drive faster than 100km/h but you have to slowdown if oncoming traffic appears.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #7519
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I vastly disagree. If that was true, there would be much less accidents. Drivers are people and people (majority of) ARE stupid.
But if the majority ARE stupid, then they would all be dead But individual risk of crash is very low, much less than 1 % per trip. It is more we should say 99% are not stupid
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Old January 30th, 2015, 09:29 AM   #7520
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But if the majority ARE stupid, then they would all be dead But individual risk of crash is very low, much less than 1 % per trip. It is more we should say 99% are not stupid
Do you really have this kind of faith in humanity? Wow. If this was true and 99% of people is not stupid,this would be a dream land. Almost no crime, no climate change, no nothing.
People is not dead because the minority of intelligent people do all the job.
Last night I was approaching a roundabout, nobody around, when a moron in a Smart (how ironic) driving really fast and coming from the road on my left entered the roundabout without looking, or slowing down. I was already inside the roundabout but I had to brake real hard, even though I had right of way.
Long story short: we are not dead because I am intelligent and I fixed the mess that moron did.
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