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Old January 30th, 2015, 11:20 AM   #7521
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Well, on the one hand, I'm in favor of such a limit, because people in my area generally drive as if they're on the motorway(140-150 on standard 2-lane roads are not as exceptional as they should be[and I wouldn't even exclude myself from that madness...]), but then again, I'm not a fan of overregulation in traffic. I mean, the reason that there are no "overtaking forbidden"-signs in places where you clearly can't overtake is that a sane adult(which we think a person with a driver's license is) would not overtake there.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 12:54 PM   #7522
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we are not dead because I am intelligent and I fixed the mess that moron did.
Any good driver anticipates (and leaves a margin) for the dumb mistakes of others

As for the limit, it's the usual media bull. If you want to do something about people causing accidents, make sure they aren't distracted by their radios, navis and smartphones. Not paying attention to the situation at hand is the number one cause of accidents. Signs and limits can't replace a driver's paying attention.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 07:41 PM   #7523
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No. Not at all (okay, my average speed is usually below 100km/h).
With light traffic it's common to drive 110 or 120, but in busy roads you're very likely to be stuck behind someone doing 80.
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Old January 30th, 2015, 08:07 PM   #7524
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Of course but your statement sounded generally. I think you used to drive in south-west (Baden-Württemberg) which is very congested.

My daily route (28km) to the office is via a 20km 2-lane road with 8,000-10,000 vehicles/day only where you can easily drive 100+ during rush hour but if there's one truck or slow car you can also easily stuck in a queue of 30 cars driving 60km/h. I need b/n 18 and ~30 minutes (including 2 (long) and 1 (short) through-road). It depends on time of day and luck or bad luck. Germany is more than just Baden-Württemberg and it's varying from region to region (or from road to road).
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Old January 30th, 2015, 08:15 PM   #7525
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Old January 31st, 2015, 02:28 PM   #7526
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B15n Landshut - Rosenheim

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The B15n between Landshut and Rosenheim will not be built as a dual carriageway but instead as a simple Road with Bypasses and 2+1 stretches.
Yep, the Bavarian Minister of Transport, Mr. Joachim Herrmann, announced on 19th January 2015 that the planned 4-laned B15n route is replaced by an upgrade of the existing B15.

The Bavarian King Minster-President Horst Seehofer announced on 30th January 2015 - after a crisis talk with ministers, district administrators (?, German: Landräte) and representatives - that the B15 upgrade will be additionally declared for the BVWP 2015. The Federal Ministry of Transport / Bundestag should decide which route will be included to the BVWP 2015. Source (2).

The BVWP 2003 contains A94 with an alternative route (upgrade of existing B12) and B303 with alternative route (upgrade of existing B303). Both are in Bavaria too. I guess the same will happen to B15n...

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Old January 31st, 2015, 02:36 PM   #7527
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B178 Weißenberg - Zittau (- Liberec)

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The future B178 will connect the German A4 Dresden - Görlitz with the Czech R35 (Liberec).

The first section begins at the A4 east of the current AS Weißenberg. Section 1.1 has a length of 5.1km and will get 2x2 lanes (OSM). The plan approval procedure has started in 2010. The order is estimated to be passed in 2013, but complaints are most likely. The groundbreaking ceremony could at best be possible in 2015. The section will feature 2x2 lanes without hard shoulders.

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http://www.medienservice.sachsen.de/medien/news/196601

The Saxony Ministry of Transport announced that the plans of B178 section 1.1 must be revised b/c it's not possible to get a planning in a manner that will stand up in court. The predicted AADT 2025 is 12,500 vehicles/day only, the former predicted AADT 2020 was 17,500. The number of lanes must be reduced (less than 2x2). Other routes must be checked too.
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Old January 31st, 2015, 02:45 PM   #7528
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B11 Zwiesel - Deggendorf

The plan approval order of a 4km B11 reconstruction b/n Grafling and Gotteszell north of Deggendorf (map) was recently passed, see press release. About 1km will feature 3 lanes at an ascending slope. B11 is A92 extension from Munich to Czech Republic in the Bavarian Forest. It was planned to build 3km 2+1 but a dead lynx was found two years ago. An expert asserted that there's a lynx crossing. For that reason, it's not allowed to widen B11 to 2+1 there. Source. AADT 2010 was about 11,500 vehicles/day, thereof 900 trucks.
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Old February 1st, 2015, 03:16 PM   #7529
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The plan approval order of a 4km B11 reconstruction b/n Grafling and Gotteszell north of Deggendorf (map) was recently passed, see press release. About 1km will feature 3 lanes at an ascending slope. B11 is A92 extension from Munich to Czech Republic in the Bavarian Forest. It was planned to build 3km 2+1 but a dead lynx was found two years ago. An expert asserted that there's a lynx crossing. For that reason, it's not allowed to widen B11 to 2+1 there. Source. AADT 2010 was about 11,500 vehicles/day, thereof 900 trucks.
Ha! My area
But honestly, it wouldn't be a problem to build an overpass or a tunnel for the lynx, but the land of black zeros* is just too much of a cheapskate for that.

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Old February 1st, 2015, 03:21 PM   #7530
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It's a recommendation of the 53rd Deutschen Verkehrsgerichtstag (German traffic court day).

http://www.deutscher-verkehrsgericht...gen_53_vgt.pdf (page 4)

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2. Zur Reduzierung schwerer Unfälle soll die Regelgeschwindigkeit für Pkw und Lkw gleichermaßen bei 80 km/h liegen. Dazu ist eine Umkehrung von Regel und Ausnahme bei der zulässigen Höchstgeschwindigkeit erforderlich. Entsprechend ausgebaute oder ertüchtigte Straßen können danach weiter für Tempo 100 freigegeben werden.

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2. The control rate (standard speed limit) of cars and trucks should be 80km/h to reduce fatal accidents. Rule and exception of the legal speed limit is to be reversed. Good constructed or reconstructed road can be allowed for 100km/h.
The recommendations are sometimes implemented after Bundestag decisions. Current speed limit for trucks >7.5t is 60km/h.
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Old February 1st, 2015, 06:49 PM   #7531
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So they want to make 80 default and allow increases up to 100 on 1+1 roads, is that it?
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Old February 1st, 2015, 07:04 PM   #7532
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Correct. And trucks > 7.5t should be allowed to drive faster (80 instead of 60km/h). But it's just a recommendation of some experts.
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Old February 2nd, 2015, 05:17 PM   #7533
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80 km/h or even a 70 km/h limit for lorries on winding all-purpose roads is sheer madness. These self-declared experts seem to be completely unaware of what minor roads look like in this country and in which state they are in. The 60 km/h limit has to stay.
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 12:29 PM   #7534
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This Deutscher Verkehrsgerichtstag has no legal function whatsoever, it's strictly an advisory body so in all likelyhood nothing will happen at all.
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 02:09 PM   #7535
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80 km/h or even a 70 km/h limit for lorries on winding all-purpose roads is sheer madness. These self-declared experts seem to be completely unaware of what minor roads look like in this country and in which state they are in. The 60 km/h limit has to stay.
In CZ we have a 80 km/h limit for trucks on motorways and rural roads for years and it does not make any safety problems - OTOH it has an advantage that trucks do have almost the same permited speed as cars and buses do, so they do not disturb the traffic flow significantly, overtaking is not necessary and the safety might therefore be even higher than with lower speed limit for trucks!
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Old February 3rd, 2015, 10:32 PM   #7536
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So they want to make 80 default and allow increases up to 100 on 1+1 roads, is that it?
Could work, I've always enjoyed Austrian S2 roads for being able to make some decent progress on them. 60km/h for trucks is just way too slow - it makes people overtake, and with it, causes dangerous situations.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 10:01 PM   #7537
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A1 Rhine bridge b/n Cologne and Leverkusen / Cologne beltway

The Rhine bridge Leverkusen will be replaced and widened to 2x4 from 2017 to 2023 (OSM; AADT 2010: 120,000 vehicles/day, 12% trucks; trucks are currently banned because of fatal damages).
In advance, some required costructions have to be done on the Cologne beltway (A1/A3/A4).
The attached document shows time schedule maps with works to be done until Mid of 2017: > click <. More info: press release, project page or project page.

Planned construction sites February 2015 (red):


Planned construction sites Mid 2015 (red):


Planned construction sites Late 2015 (red):


Planned construction sites Late 2016 (red):


Planned construction sites Spring 2017 (red):


Planned construction sites Mid 2017 (red):
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Old February 4th, 2015, 10:49 PM   #7538
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The Rhine bridge Leverkusen will be replaced and widened to 2x4 from 2017 to 2023 (OSM; AADT 2010: 120,000 vehicles/day, 12% trucks; trucks are currently banned because of fatal damages).
That bridge has currently 2×3 narrow lanes, 60 km/h speed limit and all vehicles over 3.5t are banned. All the motorways in the region are heavily congested every day. And it will remain so 8 years long. Alright, widening A3 between Köln-Mülheim - Leverkusen Mitte will solve a major issue but the main problem is the bridge itself.
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In CZ we have a 80 km/h limit for trucks on motorways and rural roads for years and it does not make any safety problems...
This assumption is not supported by safety records though. Czech roads are significantly less safe than its german counterparts.
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Old February 6th, 2015, 01:31 AM   #7540
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In Italy the speed limit for trucks is 80 on motorways and 70 on other roads (including expressways). 80 on 1+1 roads seems pretty high indeed, especially if they have at-grade junctions and are used also by non-motorized traffic.
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This assumption is not supported by safety records though. Czech roads are significantly less safe than its german counterparts.
You should consider that CZ has less motorway density than Germany, with some busy routes still served by at-grade 1+1 roads. This increase dramatically the accident rate.
I've driven twice the CZ road 3 from Prague to the Austrian border. Even if part of it is 2+1, it's a congestion madness! Queues of 10-20 km are the norm. And there are even at-grade railway crossing and not even a bypass for Ceske Budejovice (100k people). I don't think there is anything like that in Germany.
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