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Old February 12th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #7581
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(But how did this come up anyway; did I miss something?)
I referenced Germany of 1940 as Empire in #7544.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 06:17 PM   #7582
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I didn't know that. I thought Hitler was counting the Holy Roman Empire as the first and Bismarck's as the second. When we need to refer to the 1919-1933 Germany, it's usually the Weimar Republic.
Quite right. Yet, the common description of a period of time and the official designation of the state are two different kettle of fish.
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The official name of the state was Deutsches Reich (German Reich) from 1933 to 1943, and Großdeutsches Reich (Greater German Reich) from 1943 to 1945. The name Deutsches Reich is usually translated into English as "German Empire" or "German Reich". Modern Germans refer to the period as Zeit des Nationalsozialismus (National Socialist period), Nationalsozialistische Gewaltherrschaft (National Socialist tyranny), or simply as das Dritte Reich (the Third Reich).
Common English terms are "Nazi Germany" and "Third Reich". The latter, adopted by Nazi propaganda, was first used in a 1923 book by Arthur Moeller van den Bruck. The book counted the Holy Roman Empire (962–1806) as the first Reich and the German Empire (1871–1918) as the second. The Nazis used it to legitimize their regime as a successor state. After they seized power, Nazi propaganda retroactively referred to the Weimar Republic as the Zwischenreich ("Interim Reich").
Beginning in the 1980s, German linguistic critics have questioned the uncritical adoption of the expression "Third Reich". In 1984, German jurist Walter Mallman wrote that in the "conceptual history of political, constitutional, and legal thought", the term is "indefensible". In 1989, Dieter Gunst further noted that referring to the Hitler regime as the Third Reich is not only a "positive revaluation of National Socialism" but also a misrepresentation of history, adding that Hitler did not found a state or any "particular Reich".
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Old February 13th, 2015, 08:30 PM   #7584
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A7 b/n AD Salzgitter (A39) and AS Bockenem was widened to 2x3 lanes from 2011 to 2013(/14). Length: 12km, costs: 60 million €. The building companies used cancer-causing material (PAHs). The Lower Saxony Ministry of Transport wants to press criminal charges against the building companies because of eco-crime and demands renovation. Source.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 08:36 PM   #7585
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A643 Schiersteiner Brücke closure

The interchange at the demage location will be modified and partial reopened next Monday. The A643 off ramp (blue) will be used as two-way road. The Rhine bridge will remain closed (red).

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Old February 13th, 2015, 10:14 PM   #7586
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Does German highways have speed limit?
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Old February 13th, 2015, 10:17 PM   #7588
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Does German highways have speed limit?
Most of them don't. Others have variable limits.
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Does German highways have speed limit?
most do, but there is no general speed limit.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 10:24 PM   #7590
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Does German highways have speed limit?
Most of them have speed limit. All rural roads - which include 2-laned B roads - are limited. In addition, about 50% of Autobahns (= motorways; road with 2 carriageways) are limited too (60 to 140km/h). About 50% of Autobahns have no real speed limit, only recommmended speed limit of 130km/h ("Regelgeschwindigkeit").
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Hmm, four totally different answers... My favorite is the first one... The counterquestion
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German Autobahns with no speed limit. That's one of the most well-known facts in roadgeekery around the world.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #7593
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Note: Former eastern territories of Germany are still marked as "currently under external administration" (small map on the right). First, West Germany recognised the line as a de facto German-Polish boundary by the Treaty of Warsaw.
Yes, it was politically impossible post-war for West Germany to accept the loss of the Eastern territories. I forget the exact details, but maps in schools commonly showed "Germany within the borders of 1937" due to the lack of a final war settlement.

We often talk about East Germany being a Soviet puppet state, but it's worth mentioning that West Germany wasn't fully sovereign too. I *think* this was the rationale behind those signs on the West German autobahn showing distances to far off former German cities.

As for German speed limits, sometimes they are incredibly frustrating. The permanent 120km/h from Frankfurt (Oder) to Berlin on the A12 drives me insane.
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I was a little boy in 1989 but I remember TV reports about Fall of the Wall time. It was also discussed that it's possible by Grundgesetz that ALL former eastern territories of Germany which were currently under external administration could get "back" to Germany. I hoped it would happen b/c people from GDR were so happy.........
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German Autobahns with no speed limit. That's one of the most well-known facts in roadgeekery around the world.
But they're downgrading it on more and more motorways. The latest one is the A93 from Inntal Dreieck to Kiefersfelden with a new permanent 130 limit.
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(60 to 140km/h)
Hmm, 140? Where is such a thing? I have never seen a 140 sign :-)
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Hmm, 140? Where is such a thing? I have never seen a 140 sign :-)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a 140 km/h limit was being tested on the A2 near Hannover.
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But they're downgrading it on more and more motorways. The latest one is the A93 from Inntal Dreieck to Kiefersfelden with a new permanent 130 limit.
There are good reasons for limiting the Inntalautobahnpart.
But the statement isn't true, new motorway segments often don't have limits and sometimes they even remove limits again (e.g. some parts of the Kassler Berge)

Although sometimes speed limits are non sense. E.g. A1 towards Lübeck from Hamburg there is a Tempolimit all way until some km before the Kreuz Bargteheide. Forbidding trucks to overtake would help a lot instead of this speed limit. People on the outer lane (most left) drive 140 (limit 120), middle lane: sometimes trucks or else often people doing 100 to 110, inner lane: trucks, but often for 1 or 2km there is no truck, but every slow driver uses the middle lane. It annoys and bannig overtaking for trucks and no limit seems in my opion as a better solution than a speed limit, which doesn't really decongest the damn motorway..
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I was a little boy in 1989 but I remember TV reports about Fall of the Wall time. It was also discussed that it's possible by Grundgesetz that ALL former eastern territories of Germany which were currently under external administration could get "back" to Germany. I hoped it would happen b/c people from GDR were so happy.........
It would have been politically unrealistic. I understand the German nostalgy (we had\have the same feeling with Istria) but those lands had been inhabitated by Poles and Russians for 45 years and making this lands German again (with the consequential emigration of Poles and Russians and the immigration of Germans) would have created a huge internaional crisis. The German unification was politically almost painless (but not economically, of course), as both areas were inhabitated by ethnic Germans willing to be part of the same country.
I've a 1960s Europe atlas with the division of Germany and all territorial claim in the east marked. I will post a scan one day.

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After they seized power, Nazi propaganda retroactively referred to the Weimar Republic as the Zwischenreich ("Interim Reich").
It's a linguistic oxymoron. How can it be called reich (kingdom, empire) if it was a republic?
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Old February 14th, 2015, 01:28 AM   #7600
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I've a 1960s Europe atlas with the division of Germany and all territorial claim in the east marked. I will post a scan one day.
No, you shouldn't. This thread is dedicated to roads in Germany. It certainly doesn't need yet another off-topic post.
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