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Old March 14th, 2015, 02:16 PM   #7681
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A61 will be demolished to make way for the Garzweiler mine extension, so rebuilding A44 is very necessary to handle that traffic temporarily. They are currently widening A46 along the southern side of Mönchengladbach to carry all the A61 traffic that will be detoured across A46-A44 once the current A61 is demolished.
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Old March 14th, 2015, 02:53 PM   #7682
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I wonder if rebuilding the A44 is necessary at all, it would only connect to the short stubble north of A46 which will never be connected to the A44 stretch ~10km to the north.
It would also be just a few km shorter (A44/61 to A44/52 via A61 and 52: 34 km via A44: 27 Km ->~7km less)
A61 and A46-A57 already provide a better north-south connection today
As already explained. A61 will be demolished in the year 2017/18. Garzweiler will move at least for another 5 km westwards. If they do not cut the mine earlier than planned and stick to the old plans (building the Bandsammelpunkt Holzweiler) the extension to the west will be even more:



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We should just give the area back to nature and make the hole on the left a lake.
This area east of the proposed A44 will be filled up. The lake will be west of the new A61. But it will take about 100 years until it will be filled and ready to be used.

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Old March 14th, 2015, 03:31 PM   #7683
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thanks guys, good to know
absolutely crazy how much land they are using for the mine
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Old March 14th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #7684
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At least, the new (widened) Autobahns are paid by RWE

A46 2x3 widening is u/c, new A44 2x3 is u/c, A61 was widened to 2x3 lanes and will be rebuilt by 2035.
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Old March 14th, 2015, 04:49 PM   #7685
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only with this "birds view" I can realize the extent
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Old March 14th, 2015, 10:16 PM   #7686
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thanks guys, good to know
absolutely crazy how much land they are using for the mine
I'm amused that the braunkohle is actually worth enough to eat motorway, smalltowns, etc and build it back instead of just digging on the sides I guess it is consequence of the environment politics / energiewende
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Old March 14th, 2015, 10:20 PM   #7687
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Yep, Germany will shutdown the nuclear power plants. New coal-fired power plants have to be and are built to compensate it. That's what we call eco-friendly
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Old March 14th, 2015, 10:48 PM   #7688
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I guess it is consequence of the environment politics / energiewende
Exactly. Although it sounds crazy.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 01:58 AM   #7689
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I'm amused that the braunkohle is actually worth enough to eat motorway, smalltowns, etc and build it back instead of just digging on the sides I guess it is consequence of the environment politics / energiewende
The 3 lignite mines in the Rhenish lowlands produce about 100 million tons of lignite every year. At this scale lignite is a reasonable cheep source of energy. In Hambach for example once the 200 m to 350 m overburden is removed you find a 40 to 50 m thick coal layer! That is rather super extreme. Nevertheless today's massive subsidies for wind and solar energy made electricity extremely cheap. So actually it is all about a huge flow of tax money to the renewable energies.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 06:11 PM   #7690
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The 3 lignite mines in the Rhenish lowlands produce about 100 million tons of lignite every year. At this scale lignite is a reasonable cheep source of energy.
Cheap perhaps but not very efficient. In the Garzweiler area, for each 1 tons of lignite separated, there are 4,7 tons of other materials to store somewhere. The lignite is of low quality: it contains about 25% coal only. Therefore, burning it is like burning wet wood.

Burning lignite is not very environment-friendly. In addition, because of the open mine pits, the social consequences are not negligible: Since the WWII, 50+ villages have been demolished and 35000+ people have been moved from their homes to elsewhere.
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Old March 15th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #7691
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Since the WWII, 50+ villages have been demolished and 35000+ people have been moved from their homes to elsewhere.
I guess a part of that people would have moved anyway, we're still talking about rural areas with a large industrial attractor very close.
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I guess a part of that people would have moved anyway, we're still talking about rural areas with a large industrial attractor very close.
I would call them suburban rather than rural. For example, the demolished Garzweiler were in a commuting distance from several cities: Düsseldorf 35 km, Mönchengladbach 20 km, Köln 50 km, Aachen 45 km. The villages demolished earlier were even closer to the cities: The Frechen area is only 15+ km from the center of Köln. Thus no need to move in order to pursue new challenges.

Quite big fraction of the inhabitants of the demolished villages have moved the new villages built as replacements.
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Old March 16th, 2015, 11:48 AM   #7693
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At least, the new (widened) Autobahns are paid by RWE A46 2x3 widening is u/c, new A44 2x3 is u/c, A61 was widened to 2x3 lanes and will be rebuilt by 2035.
I will miss the A61 once it is time for her to give way. The new route will force the drivers to take turns at three junctions which is more inconvenience. But after 2035 the A61 will be back again as a newly built Autobahn. So after about 18 years she can be used again.
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A1 Leverkusen Rhine Bridge

I found these renders of the Leverkusen Rhine Bridge replacement project.





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Old March 19th, 2015, 09:31 PM   #7695
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I found these renders of the Leverkusen Rhine Bridge replacement project.
This version has been chosen. Source with more pics:

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Old March 20th, 2015, 01:44 AM   #7696
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Well, looks much better...
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Looks much better and it`s wider - 5+5 lanes
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Old March 20th, 2015, 05:32 PM   #7699
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What is the status of ring Road A10 around Berlin. Is it finished/widened?
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The Highway around Berlin was finished in 1979.
But there are ongoing widening projects, The A10/A11/B2 interchange has been rebuilt recently and there are plans to widen the A10 in the north (from A24 to Kreuz Barnim) and in the south west (around Potsdam).
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