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Old January 18th, 2016, 01:59 AM   #8421
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BW B31 Immenstaad – AS Friedrichshafen/Waggershausen (2+2) 7,1km (11-14 to Ende 2020) - projectmap
Will it really be 2+2 ? The other sections of B31 are 1+1.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 01:05 PM   #8422
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Of course!

See project page:
Querschnitt: SQ 24 uund RQ 26t
Verkehrsbelastung: 27.000 Kfz/24 h (AADT)

About B31 north of Lake Constance (Bodensee)....

The westernmost section b/n AK Hegau (A81) and AS Stockach-East is dedicated A98. It's 4-laned, the length is about 13km (AADT 2010: 22,000). The next 10km are 2+1 up to AS Überlingen-West (AADT 2010: 18,000). The 30km section up to Friedrichshafen is mostly 2-laned with a short 4-laned section (w/o median).

B31 is currently u/c b/n AS Überlingen-West AS Überlingen-East. It's a 4.5km realignment with 2+1 widening including a short 2x2 section. The roundabout is replaced by a grade-separated interchange. Construction works began in spring 2015. The estimated completion date is late 2019.

B31 b/n Überlingen-East and the western entrance of Friedrichshafen (Manzell) had an AADT 2010 b/n 19,000 and 27,100 vehicles/day, truck share ~10%. It's planned to build a new 4-laned expressway. The planning procedure was restarted in late 2014, see press release. The Meersburg-Immenstaad section is most advanced but there's a big opposition, see press release from October 2015. It's planned to get building permits till 2023, see presentation page 13. They even want to check if a 3-laned road is adequate.



Especially the resistents of Meersburg opposite the route, see news article from November 2015. They want to preserve the nature. The B31 should remain on the existing 2-laned Meersburg bypass.

The new 4-laned B31 u/c from Immenstaad to Waggershausen is planned to be completed by late 2020. The existing B31 from Waggershausen interchange to the B30 (which is also planned to be realignment and built with 4-laned expressway standard) is only 2-laned but the demand plan (BVWP 2003) and the proposal for the new demand plan (BVWP 2015) contains a 2x2 widening.

The 25km section up to A96 near Lindau had an AADT 2010 b/n 17,300 and 27,800 vehicles/day. It's 2-laned and most junctions are grade-separated. It was announced (~2010-12) that a 2+1 widing should be planned. I think planning procedure for two sections (2km and 3km) began but the progress seems to be damn slow.... The easternmost part (7km) is in Bavaria. Bavaria has submitted a 4-laned widening for the new BVWP 2015. Note: AADT 2010 was 21,700-27,800 in Baden-Württemberg but 17,300-19,200 in Bavaria only. 3-laned widening is not required to be submitted for the BVWP except a realignment is planned.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 03:52 PM   #8423
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I drove from Lindau to Konstanz 3 weeks ago and it was most of it Kolonnenfahrt without many possibilities to overtake.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 04:41 PM   #8424
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I drove there only once and had heavy traffic too. No chance to overtake from Lindau to Überlingen (60km). Vmax 60km/h. After passing some vehicles on the 2+1 B31N, the road was totally empty. However, there was a wrong-way driver warning* for the A98 section and I had to drive carefully.

*It was the only time I had a wrong-way driver warning for a stretch I'm driving on but I couldn't see him/her.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 04:56 PM   #8425
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project list (groundbreaking 2016)
It contains almost all projects with building permit!
Maybe you remember that a lot of projects got funding last summer. I've counted the projects* u/c in Germany and the projects with "Baufreigabe" (funding) or PPP project in tender procedure**.

*Sometimes more than one sections per project.
** A6 MA-HN (counted as 3 sections), A7 SZ-GÖ (counted as 3 sections) and A10 north (counted as 1 section)

The figures are:

New Autobahn sections: 34 u/c, 9 funded, thereof 7 expected commencements for 2016.
Autobahn widening sections: 32 u/c, 21 funded, thereof 13 expected commencement for 2016.
New B road sections: 69 u/c, 50 funded, thereof 37 expected commencements for 2016 (2 already happened this year, they are "u/c").
B road widening sections: 19 u/c, 11 funded, thereof 10 expected commencements for 2016.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 12:02 PM   #8426
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B31 is currently u/c b/n AS Überlingen-West AS Überlingen-East. It's a 4.5km realignment with 2+1 widening including a short 2x2 section.
This is what I don't understand. They build 2+1 new although 2+2 would be necessary. Are at least the bridges wide enough for a later 2+2 upgrade?

In southern Germany there is a serious gap between the A81/A98 road network in the West an the A7/A96/B30/B12 network in the east.

B31 would be the only proper connection in between. B33 Meersburg - Ravensburg which could be an alternative route is a horrible road. It leads through all villages where it is often limited to 30 km/h for noise reduction and there is no proper crossing of Ravensburg in East - West direction.
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Old January 21st, 2016, 09:12 PM   #8427
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This is what I don't understand. They build 2+1 new although 2+2 would be necessary. Are at least the bridges wide enough for a later 2+2 upgrade?
I don't think so, see layout [6MB].

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In southern Germany there is a serious gap between the A81/A98 road network in the West an the A7/A96/B30/B12 network in the east.
Between A5/A81 and between A81/A7.

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B31 would be the only proper connection in between.
Yep, also b/n A5 (Freiburg) and A81 (Donaueschingen). 2x2 widening/bypasses/tunnels exist or are planned b/n A5 and Hinterzarten (~30km). AADT 2010 was about 20,000 vehicles/day near Hinterzarten. The remaining ~35km b/n Hinterzarten and B27 near Hüfingen is 2+1 or planned to be widened (very slow planning progress though). AADT 2010 about 17,000. The last >10km will remain 2-laned, AADT 2010 ~11,000 vehicles/day, 15% truck share.

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B33 Meersburg - Ravensburg which could be an alternative route is a horrible road. It leads through all villages where it is often limited to 30 km/h for noise reduction and there is no proper crossing of Ravensburg in East - West direction.
They prefer building a B31/B30 expressway instead of upgrading B33 there. Two sections are finally u/c (B31 Immenstaad - Friedrichshafen, 7.1km (2014-2020) + B30 Ravensburg - Karrer, 3.4km (2013-2018)), 2 sections are in early planning stage (the mentioned B31 Meersburg-Immenstaad, ~10km + B30 Karrer - Friedrichshafen, ~12km).
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Old January 26th, 2016, 04:48 PM   #8428
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A corpse on the motorway

A Grim discovery on the A9-motorway.


In the early morning a corpse was found in the right lane , accordng to the police.
The lifeless body was found on Tuesday morning shortly after the junction Pfaffenhofen northbound (Nuremberg).
The police assumes it was a woman who had commited suicide. She had jumped off a bridge onto the road and was then run over by several cars.
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And drivers didn't realize it?
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And drivers didn't realize it?
They did. 10 drivers contacted the police, said the spokesman of the police headquarters in Ingolstadt, Hans-Peter Kammerer.

However, the police does not exclude that other drivers ran over the body with their cars, they assumed that it was an animal or some kind of object and have therefore not called the police.

Because of the incident, the A9-motorway from the junction Pfaffenhofen towards Nuremberg had to be closed for almost four hours. "We had a traffic jam up to 10 km in length," Kammerer said.
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Oh sorry, from a first reading I assumed it happened several times before someone called. Wrong assumption.

Once I saw the body of a man who committed suicide in the same way on a busy motorway, and it was in fact easy to identify it as an animal. It was at dusk and I first thought it was a large dog. From the pale light of the photo, it probably happened in the dark of early morning.
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The Bundesamt für Güterverkehr published truck toll statistics over 2015: https://www.bag.bund.de/DE/Navigatio...stik_node.html

Here are the truck (7.5+ tons) counts at the Dutch border (tolled routes only).


A40 Straelen / A67 Venlo is the busiest truck border crossing of all of Germany, followed by A12 Frankfurt an der Oder to Poland. A61 Schwanenhaus / A74 Venlo is the fastest growing border crossing for truck traffic (the Dutch A74 - German A61 link was completed in 2012).

It's interesting to observe how B402 Hebelermeer / A37 Zwartemeer is almost as busy as the 'classic' route to the Ruhr Area (A3 Elten), while the B402 / E233 route into Germany is mostly only a two-lane road. The E233 is terrible to drive, there are not many places with passing lanes and curvature and sightlines on B402 and B213 means it's often not possible to safely pass trucks. There are plans to construct a four-lane highway along the E233 route as a PPP project.
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31.4% of the vehicles > 7.5t passing the NL/D border in 2015 were from the Netherlands. 21.3% from Germany, 17.8% from Poland, 4.3% from Romania, 3.9% from Belgium, 21.3% from other countries. Source (page 23).

Generally, 24.3% of the vehicles > 7.5t passing any German border in 2015 were from Poland. 18.4% from Germany, 12.3% from the Netherlands, 7.3% from Czech Republic, 5.3% from Romania, 4.2% from Hungary, 4.1% from Austria, 4.0% from Non-EU countries, 3.9% from Slovakia, 2.8% from Lithunia, 13.3% from other EU countries (page 27).

According to the tolled mileage in Germany (on Autobahn or Autobahn-like B roads):
59.8% of all vehicles > 7.5t were from Germany (17.8 billion km),
13.6% from Poland (4.0 billion km),
4.3% from Czech Republic (1.3 billion km),
3.4% from the Netherlands (1.0 billion km),
2.9% from Romania,
2.3% from Hungary,
1.9% from Slovakia,
1.6% from Lithuania,
1.3% from Bulgaria,
1.1% from Austria,
1.1% from Slovenia,
0.7% from Spain,
0.6% from Italy,
0.4% from Latvia,
0.4% from Belgium,
0.4% from Croatia,
0.3% from Portugal,
0.3% from Luxembourg,
0.2% from Denmark,
0.2% from France,
0.2% from Estonia,
0.1% from Sweden,
0.1% from UK,
0.1% from Greece,
0.1% from Finland,
0.0% from Ireland (14.4 million km),
0.0% from Cyprus (9.3 million km),
0.0% from Malta (1.3 million km)
2.3% Non-EU countries
0.1% unknown

Toll mileage change 2015 compared to 2014:
+22.9% Croatia
+20.3% Romania
+13.6% Bulgaria
...
-10.9% Denmark
-14.6% Cyprus
-19.7% UK

Both from page 6 or 16.
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Would it be reasonable to expect a similar distribution for passenger vehicles?
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No. The share of vehicle registered in Germany would be closer to 95% for passenger travel. Likewise bigger would be the share of Scandinavian countries among passenger vehicles compared to the one of lorries.
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Would it be reasonable to expect a similar distribution for passenger vehicles?
Absolutely not. What happens is that Western European truck companies cannot compete with those from Baltic States, Hungary, the Balkans for traffic that goes to or from there. The wage differential is just too much. I believe the minimum adult wage of Netherlands would be something like a top 15% wage in Romania, so most traffic between Romania and Netherlands (going through Germany of course) will be on Romanian trucks.

Moreover, trucks travel longer distances than passenger cars, most passenger cars (I think >95% of them) are driven less than 20.000km/year...
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Generally, 24.3% of the vehicles > 7.5t passing any German border in 2015 were from Poland. 18.4% from Germany, 12.3% from the Netherlands, 7.3% from Czech Republic, 5.3% from Romania, 4.2% from Hungary, 4.1% from Austria, 4.0% from Non-EU countries, 3.9% from Slovakia, 2.8% from Lithunia, 13.3% from other EU countries (page 27).
The vehicle ? what if the truck is from eastern europe and the trailer from western europe ? I have seen many german, dutch, danish trailers pulled by polish, estonian, bulgarian trucks.


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The vehicle ? what if the truck is from eastern europe and the trailer from western europe ? I have seen many german, dutch, danish trailers pulled by polish, estonian, bulgarian trucks.
Its the tractor that counts and never the trailer.
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Exactly, the OBU (On board unit) is in the tractor truck. It's quite common that the trailer has a license plate from a different country.
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