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Old November 10th, 2016, 10:51 PM   #9021
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Are there some countries in the world that impose tolls differently between locals and foreigners? I can't think of any.
In Cuba there are two currencies, pesos and convertible pesos. Most prices are listed in pesos, but tourists typically pay with convertible pesos. The exchange rate is 25:1, so tourists pay twenty-five times more compared to locals They have some toll roads, and though I don't know for sure, I assume the same applies.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 03:43 AM   #9022
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Are there some countries in the world that impose tolls differently between locals and foreigners? I can't think of any.
In some cities in Brazil, people living near a toll plaza dont pay it.
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Old November 11th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #9023
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In some cities in Brazil, people living near a toll plaza dont pay it.
Same with the new bridge being built in Runcorn, UK.

EDIT - by which I mean they get a free e-tag (don't think there's a toll plaza)

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Old November 12th, 2016, 07:37 PM   #9024
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If this happens Netherlands should get its money back from co financing the A31 just over the border in Germany. I will travel the A31 tomorrow to get from Groningen to Venlo.
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Old November 12th, 2016, 08:21 PM   #9025
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Nah, foreigners should pay. Unless of course they wish to pay taxes in Germany to maintain the road network.
You make no sense. You pay for network at registration of a car, part of fuel tax goes there and on tolls.

So yes, foreigners already pay for them with fuel.


For small CE countries vignette makes a lot of sense, since most are so small, people don't even need to stop there for a coffee and pay value added tax on that when they drive through it with location is in the hearth of Europe they get loads of transit traffic from which the country gets nothing while it is a huge strain on infrastructure of smaller nations.

While for Germany almost nobody drives through it, but it is at least a stop or an end destination to do business, which is the real money anyway.
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Old November 14th, 2016, 04:32 PM   #9026
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Old November 14th, 2016, 04:46 PM   #9027
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Old November 15th, 2016, 04:48 PM   #9028
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Are there some countries in the world that impose tolls differently between locals and foreigners? I can't think of any.
Austria has established a tolling system that fleeces the foreigners but remains extremely cheap for the locals.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 07:02 PM   #9029
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Austria has established a tolling system that fleeces the foreigners but remains extremely cheap for the locals.
you are wrong


standard that a short time usage is expensiver than a long therm, go to a fitness club or to the supermarket (singlesize-family pack)


in Austria and other EU-countries have a Vignette system it is the same


Austria is fair, Slovenia for example you can classify as "fleecing" system, why:

1.Slovenia offers the short therm option only 7 days, austria 10 days means for weekend-weekend trips you have to buy in
austria 1 vignette
slovenia 2 vignettes

2.Price per day of the short compared to full year one:
Austria 370%
Slovenia 709%
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Old November 16th, 2016, 02:05 AM   #9030
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standard that a short time usage is expensiver than a long therm, go to a fitness club or to the supermarket (singlesize-family pack)
But standard for a road is free!

A and SK are both jerk countries that are not interested in having visitors enrich them.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 08:14 PM   #9031
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Austria is fair
The town of Bregenz and its people testify it each and every day how fair the Austrian system really is. You can twist it as much as you want but the Austrian tolling system is one that aims at maximum revenues from foreign drivers even if that means that some Austrian towns drown in traffic.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 01:08 AM   #9032
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The town of Bregenz and its people testify it each and every day how fair the Austrian system really is. You can twist it as much as you want but the Austrian tolling system is one that aims at maximum revenues from foreign drivers even if that means that some Austrian towns drown in traffic.
When i came from Switzerland i did not use the austrain motorway, but went through Bregenz. Thats something you should not do at several hours a day, but sometimes it is possible. Why should one pay a austrian sticker for a one direction trip and just 4 exits?
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Old November 17th, 2016, 12:09 PM   #9033
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What are the biggest schemes in Germany at the moment?
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Old November 17th, 2016, 03:35 PM   #9034
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What are the biggest schemes in Germany at the moment?
The A1 Rheinbrücke Leverkusen expansion was recently approved. I suppose in terms of both importance and cost, that would be one of them.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 07:44 PM   #9035
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Austria is fair, Slovenia for example you can classify as "fleecing" system, why:

1.Slovenia offers the short therm option only 7 days, austria 10 days means for weekend-weekend trips you have to buy in
austria 1 vignette
slovenia 2 vignettes

2.Price per day of the short compared to full year one:
Austria 370%
Slovenia 709%
Yeah, the easiest way is to point finger on others how unfair system they have. What about tunnels in Austria? Are they for free? In Slovenia are all for free, except for one tunnel which is (what a suprise) at border with Austria. When you will have tunnels without extra payment then you can make such comparison. I'm sure that your vignette would be then much more expensive as it is now
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Old November 17th, 2016, 10:50 PM   #9036
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But standard for a road is free!
Let me challenge that. This article
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maut#M...teme_in_Europa

lists 23 countries in Europe where you have to pay road tolls for cars, in some countries for the whole network, some countries for parts of the network and some countries for single stretches or bridges/tunnels etc.

Many non-European countries have a road toll, too.

In Germany, standard for a road is still free and IMHO I would like to leave it at that. One alternative though would be a EU solution with let's say a European vignette at a low price.

The Dobrindt initiative is rubbish. It doesn't generate any income. That little money that the 5% foreign drivers would pay, would be lost in administration costs.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 11:06 PM   #9037
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With last week, I have now driven 63,37% of the German Autobahnnetz. +4,35% since last week.
What does that work out to in Km's?
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Old November 18th, 2016, 12:51 AM   #9038
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Yeah, the easiest way is to point finger on others how unfair system they have. What about tunnels in Austria? Are they for free? In Slovenia are all for free, except for one tunnel which is (what a suprise) at border with Austria. When you will have tunnels without extra payment then you can make such comparison. I'm sure that your vignette would be then much more expensive as it is now
I don't know the other part of the country, but Slovenia longest bar Karawankentunnel is around 3km for Trojane

Austrian 10 day is also cheaper, though I would agree it is a bit much to pay 1€/kilometer of tunnel for places like Katschberg.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 03:13 PM   #9039
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The Dobrindt initiative is rubbish. It doesn't generate any income. That little money that the 5% foreign drivers would pay, would be lost in administration costs.
Thats it. I pay wherever i travel. So why shouldn't others do in germany?
But if the Vignette creates no income for maintaining the system it should be forgotten about. Life is unfair very often. Sometimes you jsut should accept it, if its not to heal easily.

I think Dobrindt just blames drivers from other countries, because they are not voters. Thats easy but shows a dirty character. Thats why i hate him and his companions.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 09:41 PM   #9040
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But if the Vignette creates no income for maintaining the system it should be forgotten about.
The Ministry of Transport has recently reported (answer to question no. 8) that the estimated income might be about 3.9 billion €/year. 3.2 billion € from German citizens, 700 million € from foreigners. The system cost calculation is 200 million € per year.
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