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Old August 22nd, 2017, 07:15 PM   #9401
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Edit: It is as I said: The images won't be published (source: http://t3n.de/news/google-street-vie...chland-847626/).
Exactly. However, the article is wrong, they didn't stop recording in 2010 but drove through Germany (almost?) every year... Just for internal purpose (updating maps) but not published....
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 07:35 PM   #9402
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Edit: It is as I said: The images won't be published (source: http://t3n.de/news/google-street-vie...chland-847626/).
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Old August 22nd, 2017, 11:08 PM   #9403
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But they will publish for Austria, it was announced in early July, that picture taking will start "soon", and photos will be published a few months later; see e.g. http://derstandart.at/2000061085449/...ch-Oesterreich (in German), where it also says that indeed, it is not planned to publish photos in Germany

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Unternehmen will "Lücke schließen" – Autos starten Fahrten in Kürze, erste Bilder einige Monate später
Von New York bis zu den Galapagosinseln: Weite Teile der Welt lassen sich mittlerweile via Google Street View virtuell erkunden. Eine Ausnahme befindet sich dabei ausgerechnet im Zentrum Europas: Österreich ist bei Street View ein weißer Fleck auf der Landkarte. Nun will Google diesem Umstand aber ein Ende bereiten.

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In einer aktuellen Aussendung teilt Google mit, dass man in Kürze die Fahrten für die Aufnahme von Bildern für Street View wieder aufnehmen werde. Bereits ab dem 19. Juli sollen die Autos des Unternehmens die Straßen Österreichs mit ihren Rundumkameras erfassen. Die Veröffentlichung der dabei erzielten Aufnahmen soll dann "in den kommenden Monaten" erfolgen. Man wolle endlich die Lücke auf der Karte schließen, betont Google-Österreich-Pressesprecher Wolfgang Fasching-Kapfenberger gegenüber dem STANDARD die Motivation des Unternehmens. Gerade für Touristen sei Street View eine wichtige Hilfe, streicht zudem Ulf Spitze, Program Manager für Street View, die Vorzüge des Services heraus.

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Es ist nicht der erste Versuch Googles Street View in Österreich an den Start zu bringen. Bereits im Jahr 2010 zogen die Autos des Unternehmens ihre Runden auf österreichischen Straßen. Die Datenschutzkommission erteilte Google zwar – nach einer kontroversiell geführten Debatte – im Folgejahr ein prinzipielles "Okay" für den Service, verband dies aber mit einigen Auflagen. Google verzichtete infolge darauf, das Projekt Street View in Österreich weiter voranzutreiben.

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In der aktuellen Aussendung spricht Google nun davon, dass man Street View bereits im Datenverarbeitungsregister angemeldet habe und sämtliche Auflagen des österreichischen Datenschutzgesetzes erfülle. Dies bestätigt ein Eintrag bei der – mittlerweile zuständigen – Datenschutzbehörde. Demnach hat sich Google unter anderem verpflichtet, eine einfach zugängliche Webseite zur Verfügung zu stellen, über die betroffene Personen ihr Haus oder ihr Auto aus den Street-View-Aufnahmen löschen lassen können.

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Wie in anderen Ländern auch sollen sämtliche Gesichter von Passanten unkenntlich gemacht werden, selbiges gilt für Nummernschilder von Fahrzeugen. Von der noch 2011 erteilten Auflage, in der Nähe von sensiblen Orten wie Schulen oder Kirchen die ganze Person unkenntlich zu machen, ist hingegen nicht mehr die Rede. Auch das Erfassen von WLAN-Netzwerken bei den Fahrten ist Google untersagt. Google betont zudem, dass man auf einer eigenen Webseite offenlege, wo die Street-View-Autos gerade ihre Runden drehen. Dieser Seite ist auch zu entnehmen, dass die Fahrzeuge ihren Österreichstart in Wien, Graz und Linz machen werden

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Interessantes Detail am Rande: Ein Neustart von Street View in Deutschland ist laut Google weiterhin nicht geplant. Dort gibt es zwar seit einigen Jahren Bilder, neue Aufnahmen erstellt Google aber nicht mehr. Auch dieser Entscheidung war eine öffentliche Kontroverse vorangegangen.

(Andreas Proschofsky, 10.7.2017) - http://derstandart.at/2000061085449/...ch-Oesterreich
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 07:58 PM   #9404
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A1 Hamburg - Bremen

A1 Hamburg - Bremen has been expanded from four to six lanes between 2008 and 2012. The expansion project was a peculiar form of PPP, where the consortium gets a share of the truck toll revenue over a period of 30 years. I believe there are two or three other similar contracts, but this type of PPP model doesn't seem to be pursued anymore.

The consortium 'A1 Mobil' is now demanding € 640 million from the German government because truck toll revenue falls short of projections. When the contract was signed the economic crisis hadn't started yet, so the growth of truck traffic has been below projections.

NDR: http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/nieder...obahn1758.html

I think the German government should not spend € 640 million of tax money on this. Fluctuations of revenue are inherent to this PPP model and the parties involved were well aware of this risk. Toll roads not meeting revenue projections are also well documented. This is a risk the private parties have taken on, so they and not the public should bear the cost of that.

Present-day PPP models are more commonly 'availability payments'. This is a predictable flow of revenue for both the contractor and the government, with performance-based incentives (early completion, minimizing lane closures, good quality).

The PPP model used for A1 is an unusual form of shadow toll. Instead of payments for each passing vehicle, the government pays a predefined share of the truck toll revenue to the consortium. I'm not aware of this model ever being used outside of Germany.
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Old August 23rd, 2017, 08:15 PM   #9405
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It is a poor form of PPP contract, I've seen several cases in Italy. Could be due to corruption or simply wild incompetence by the government officials.

In fact the private contractor makes an investment with all risks covered by the taxpayer...
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Old August 24th, 2017, 12:16 AM   #9406
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Parts of the motorways in the north-east of Vienna have been built in a mix of the shadow-toll and availability payments, see (in German only) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPP_Ostregion and http://www.a5nordautobahnsued.at for their website.

Similar issue here, they had less revenues than expected, see e.g. http://diepresse.com/home/wirtschaft...llionenVerlust (in German)
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Old August 24th, 2017, 07:24 PM   #9407
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According to BMVI, there are 4 projects using the so-called 'A-modell' with traffic dependent revenue for the operator;

* A1 Hamburg - Bremen
* A4 around Eisenach
* A5 Karlsruhe - Offenburg
* A8 Augsburg - München

In most cases the length of the section under concession is longer than the actual expansion length, this is to make the maintenance period more attractive and efficient. Other PPP models such as the V-modell (availability payments) also typically include a longer section under concession.

The V-modell is also suited for new infrastructure. The A-modell is only interesting with proven traffic volumes.

Another model is not yet implemented on an Autobahn, the F-modell, a privately operated toll road similar to France. It is currently used for two tunnels in Northern Germany (B103 in Rostock and B104 in Lübeck).

The A-modell and F-modell have inherent risk to the due to the possibility of fluctuating traffic volumes, therefor fluctuating revenue. The V-modell is only based on the availability of the infrastructure, regardless of usage. This is much more predictable for both the government and the operator.
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Old September 9th, 2017, 08:28 PM   #9408
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A72 Chemnitz - Leipzig

The Leipziger Volkszeitung reports that the final section of A72 from Rötha to A38 near Leipzig is having a large cost escalation. The original pricetag was budgeted at € 112 million. They are now reporting a pricetag of € 224.5 million and that may not be the end figure.

http://www.lvz.de/Mitteldeutschland/...en-Euro-teurer
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Old September 10th, 2017, 04:07 AM   #9409
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The Leipziger Volkszeitung reports that the final section of A72 from Rötha to A38 near Leipzig is having a large cost escalation. The original pricetag was budgeted at € 112 million. They are now reporting a pricetag of € 224.5 million and that may not be the end figure.

http://www.lvz.de/Mitteldeutschland/...en-Euro-teurer
I also read a hint, that the next-to last section might indeed open in 2019, later than first expected 2017, but earlier than the revised date of 2020, but that this final section would not open earlier than 2026. This section runs over former surface mine. But other parts also did. In this case also there is water close to the surface, it runs mostly on the old alignment, so first and second carriageway will be built one after another and so on. The problems multiply. But 2026 ist really far.
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Old September 10th, 2017, 10:00 AM   #9410
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2026 is also 20 years after the originally scheduled completion before the 2006 World Cup.
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Old September 11th, 2017, 10:13 PM   #9411
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The new Rader Hochbrücke (Kiel canal viaduct) on the A7 between Hamburg and Flensburg will be 6 lane.


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Old September 12th, 2017, 12:13 PM   #9412
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The new Rader Hochbrücke (Kiel canal viaduct) on the A7 between Hamburg and Flensburg will be 6 lane.


https://www.shz.de/regionales/schles...d17802766.html
Any speculation about when the replacement bridge would be complete? 2035?
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Old September 12th, 2017, 12:35 PM   #9413
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The cited article only says the bridge must be completed in 2026 because this is the prognosted end of life of the existing bridge.
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The cited article only says the bridge must be completed in 2026 because this is the prognosted end of life of the existing bridge.
Exactly.


Whether it actually will be completed by then, who knows? They still may find some rare birds there ...
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Old September 12th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #9415
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The cited article only says the bridge must be completed in 2026 because this is the prognosted end of life of the existing bridge.
The word "must" can be interpreted in various ways. :-)
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Old September 12th, 2017, 03:05 PM   #9416
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They are currently counting on a completion in 2030. They will build two separate spans, the first one must be completed by 2026 (end of life of the existing bridge) and the second by 2030.

Although traffic volumes on the bridge are not particularly high (54,000 vehicles) per day, it has a fairly steep incline, in mountainous situations you would usually find a climbing lane at such locations, so six-laning makes sense even with the traffic volumes being reasonable.
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They are currently counting on a completion in 2030. They will build two separate spans, the first one must be completed by 2026 (end of life of the existing bridge) and the second by 2030.

Although traffic volumes on the bridge are not particularly high (54,000 vehicles) per day, it has a fairly steep incline, in mountainous situations you would usually find a climbing lane at such locations, so six-laning makes sense even with the traffic volumes being reasonable.


Bear in mind that traffic volume is likley to rise until the bridge is completed.
We are experiencing severe traffic jams already now only because of the speed limit on the bridge. Especially on Saturdays during the summer season.


Well, a speed limit is likely to be found on the new bridge as well. So a six lane stretch between Kreuz Rendsburg and Rendsburg-Büdelsdorf will be a good thing.


And let us not forget that the discussion about widening the whole A7 up to the Danish border has already begun (the Danes want that especially). If one day they do decide to widen the whole thing, it will be of advantage not having a bottleneck because of a too narrow bridge.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 03:55 PM   #9418
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Yes. Even with all things being equal, the steep incline and lower speed limit at the bridge are enough to make it a bottleneck compared to the adjacent sections of A7.

The other crossing in the area is the Canal Tunnel in Rendsburg. It is undergoing renovation for years now, with one tube being closed to traffic. I think that will also push some traffic to A7. The renovation of the Canal Tunnel is a planning disaster, it started in August 2011 with a scheduled 2.5 years of construction. But they ran into delays and problems, and the latest I've read was a completion by 2019. 8 years to renovate a short tunnel, unbelievable.
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Old September 12th, 2017, 07:36 PM   #9419
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Someone just posted a Google Maps link on one of the U.S. pages, but - since the poster was in Germany - the link was to Google Maps Deutschland.

Before I could look at the actual image (a Streetview one from the U.S.), I had to click past this:

So when I opened that link, in Google Maps Deutschland, they insisted I read this:


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Dieser Schritt ist erforderlich, damit Sie auf die Google-Dienste zugreifen können.
And then another page of terms and conditions.

Don't think I've seen that with other international Google versions. The whole privacy thing?
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Found some rare footage from the construction of the BAB 4 german border crossing nearby Görlitz / Ludwigsdorf (March - April 1993):



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