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Old September 30th, 2017, 10:22 AM   #9481
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You're shattering all my illusions about Germany!
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Old September 30th, 2017, 11:58 AM   #9482
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Mistakes happen everywhere. The Germans know what they are doing and the road problems will be fixed. More important, however, is to get rid of die Oma.
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Old September 30th, 2017, 12:10 PM   #9483
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Mistakes happen everywhere.
Yes.

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The Germans know what they are doing
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and the road problems will be fixed.
Yes but it's a painful and long way...

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More important, however, is to get rid of die Oma.
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Old October 9th, 2017, 07:24 PM   #9484
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A section of A20 west of the Tribsees interchange was built over a bog. It opened to traffic in 2005. However, the Autobahn started to subside, the subsidence is now so bad that they closed the westbound carriageway.

They are now conducting a review on the subsidence but the thought is that piles on which the motorway was built have broken off. The repair can take up to two years.

Motorways are frequently built on piles when they run through bogs. This should prevent excess settlement and subsidence. Several Autobahns in Northern Germany are built this way, most recently A21 near Nettelsee. It's not an uncommon method abroad either (the Netherlands also has some).



https://www.regierung-mv.de/Aktuell/...essemitteilung
The Autobahn is now destroyed:

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Old October 9th, 2017, 07:28 PM   #9485
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another great German achievement!
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Old October 9th, 2017, 09:53 PM   #9486
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A20 collapse

Based on this video report: https://www.svz.de/regionales/meckle...d18034816.html

The collapse has occurred here:


media report that this section is 14 years old, however it is 12 years old. A20 opened to traffic in 2003 west of Tribsees, but there was a temporary endpoint (which you can see on the left side of the satellite imagery) because the section across the bog wasn't completed at that time.

This portion of A20 opened to traffic on 7 December 2005, it was the final section of the original A20 (Lübeck - Uckermark) to be completed.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 02:28 PM   #9487
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The Autobahn is now destroyed
No, it isn't. Only a short section is. A section which is one of the least trafficked ones of the entire network.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 06:45 PM   #9488
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B3/B6 Südschnellweg, Hannover

The Südschnellweg in Hannover is in poor condition. It appears that the viaduct in the Döhren neighborhood will be replaced by a circa 1 kilometer long tunnel. A 4 kilometer section of B3/B6 will be reconstructed the cost is estimated at € 300 million.

They will proceed the planning of a tunnel, however the current viaduct will first be replaced by a temporary viaduct in 2022-2023. The current viaduct is in such a poor condition that it had to be narrowed to one lane in each direction circa 2012-2013.



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Old October 11th, 2017, 11:20 AM   #9489
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When was that road built?
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Old October 11th, 2017, 12:57 PM   #9490
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Probably in the 1960s. This section of B3/B6 is not a true Gelbe Autobahn, it lacks shoulders and is built on a very narrow profile.

Here you can see the narrowed viaduct to one lane in each direction. According to historical imagery, this was narrowed sometime 2012 or 2013.

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Old October 11th, 2017, 12:59 PM   #9491
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A1 Rheinbrücke Leverkusen

The federal court in Leipzig has dismissed appeals against the replacement of the A1 Rhine Bridge at Leverkusen.

The bridge is in extremely poor condition and has been closed to all truck traffic since 2014. It urgently needs replacement.

There were appeals by an environmental organization and a land owner.

http://www.bverwg.de/presse/pressemi...ahr=2017&nr=68
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These ,,environmental protectors" are starting to get on my nerves. I'm all for taking care of our lovely planet but all that traffic having to find new routes and do giant detours isn't exactly beneficial. The Cologne- Leverkusen area in general needs more capacity, same with the Ruhrgebiet. The Cologne Ring updates, new Leverkusen A1 Bridge, Extension of A44 across the southern Ruhr Area, covering of the A40 aswell as the A52 connection
in Essen Strassen.NRW got some serious work to do. Lets hope that with the new Land- and Bundestag things will pick up some speed again, infrastructure wise. Because else NRW will keep falling behind.
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When was that road built?
Construction works began in 1954. Source.
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The federal court in Leipzig has dismissed appeals against the replacement of the A1 Rhine Bridge at Leverkusen.

The bridge is in extremely poor condition and has been closed to all truck traffic since 2014. It urgently needs replacement.

There were appeals by an environmental organization and a land owner.

http://www.bverwg.de/presse/pressemi...ahr=2017&nr=68
Can they now appeal the appeal? Go to some super higher court? Find an endangered specie of bettle? Or a typo in page 754 of a 1247-page long technical document that would nullify the whole thing?
Or are we finally good to go?
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Old October 12th, 2017, 10:59 PM   #9495
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The Bundesverwaltungsgericht is what they call a 'court of last resort'. Further appeal is not possible.
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Bundesverfassungsgericht is the highest German court though... If they think that EU law might be affected, they could call the European Court of Justice...
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There are several supreme courts, it depends on the type of case which one is relevant. The Bundesverwaltungsgericht is for most administrative disputes between government and citizens.

It is unlikely that there would be something unconstitutional in a planning procedure that would require to take it up to the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Federal Constitutional Court).
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Old October 12th, 2017, 11:16 PM   #9498
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OK thanks, sounds like that's it, unless they wanna burn more money for the sake of obstruction.

The bridge was closed Monday Tuesday in one direction. Wasn't complete mayhem but a nice reminder of the obvious lack of alternatives to this bridge.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 01:33 AM   #9499
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Bundesverfassungsgericht is the highest German court though... If they think that EU law might be affected, they could call the European Court of Justice...
Verfassung is constitution in German. The Bundesverfassungsgericht in Karlsruhe is not the supreme court but the constitutional court. It is responsible for checking if the law introduced by the parliament is compliant with the constitution and it can cancel such a law if it isn't. Normal people or companies have nothing to do with the constitutional court.

Verwaltung means management, or administration. So the Verwaltungsgericht would be, I believe, the administrative court, so the one to which you can go if you don't agree with an administrative decision.
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Bundesgerichtshof - the Federal Court of Justice - is Germany’s highest court of civil and criminal jurisdiction and has its seat in Karlsruhe.
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