[D] German Autobahns • Deutsche Autobahnen

[ChrisZwolle]

Man i want to go to Germany. If the weather is okay, i will check the new A37 (NL) and adjacent B403 near Meppen. That should be a completed Gelbe Autobahn too now.

I am planning some weekend to go to Cuxhaven or Bremerhaven for pics. That's like 350km from my city, so i can do that in one day (750km or so).

[radi6404]

Originally Posted by Verso

Well, radi obviously isn't saying that Bulgarian roads are the best in the world (except Struma, which is logical, b/c it's new), and he doesn't have to be from Germany to have a right to criticize other countries' roads either (although actually he does live in Germany ), but you can't say some road doesn't deserve to be called motorway just b/c it's old, and doesn't have fucking awesome shiny crash barriers (lol ). Only if the PAVEMENT is bad, then it cannot qualify as such, even if it meets ALL the other criteria. Ok, that Yellow Autobahn on the picture doesn't seem to have a fence, which is quite crucial for deserving to be called motorway, but everything else is ok, IMO. Yes, the crash barrier is a complete eyesore, also the trees and bushes could be cut from time to time, plus the pavement looks OLD, but NOT BAD! A motorway doesn't have to be shiny to be called like that. And the motorway from Sofia towards Turkish border (which you actually don't even consider motorway, lol ) looks very straight, and even has 6 lanes, but everywhere I've seen it so straight, the landscape was flat! Now please stop complaining just b/c of some crash barriers, b/c they are almost NEVER shiny (especially not on old motorways; and they even don't have to be old for that), b/c you're ruining our pleasure when looking at them.

you are right verso, but just something what is strange to me is, when i am going to Bulgaria and entering the not so rich countries, after Austria shiny motorways start, but in Austria and especialy Germany they aren´t, how does that look to the tourists who travel to Germany.

[Nephasto]

Originally Posted by Verso

Patrick, that's an awesome map! Although I have to say that, for example the Munich (München) INNER Ring doesn't deserve to be called Autobahn, whether Yellow or Blue or whatever.

Yes, I was also going to say that not all the gelbe aotobahnen signen in the map really do have motorway standarts... only a part of them.

That can be checked out in viamichelin, which makes the distinction between a mere dual carrigeway (which can have same level access and trafic lights for example) and a dual carrigeway with motorway caratceristics (motorway standards).

[Verso]

Originally Posted by radi6404

you are right verso, but just something what is strange to me is, when i am going to Bulgaria and entering the not so rich countries, after Austria shiny motorways start, but in Austria and especialy Germany they aren´t, how does that look to the tourists who travel to Germany.

Well, Austria could do a little more on its motorways, especially the ancient signage (), but Germany has a HUGE motorway system, so you can't really complain. What do you think of US motorways?

[Nephasto]

Originally Posted by radi6404

you are right verso, but just something what is strange to me is, when i am going to Bulgaria and entering the not so rich countries, after Austria shiny motorways start, but in Austria and especialy Germany they aren´t, how does that look to the tourists who travel to Germany.

What do you mean by shiny? Which have shiny crash barriers??
That's irrelevant, and they're only shiny because the motorway is new...

[Verso]

Btw, Austria and Germany have old motorways, whereas Slovenia, for example, has built most of them in the last decade. Check our old motorways (Ljubljana-Postojna (the oldest section is from 1972) and Ljubljana-Kranj), the pavement is ok, but crash barriers look quite shitty.

[radi6404]

Originally Posted by Nephasto

What do you mean by shiny? Which have shiny crash barriers??
That's irrelevant, and they're only shiny because the motorway is new...

No and if they decide to put new color of the crashbarriers they will be shiny again aswell. But with shiny i mean if the markings can be seen clear and the asphalt is shiny, one colored, not neccesarily black. With shiny i generaly mean clean.

[ChrisZwolle]

Germany has a heavily travelled huge motorway network. You can't expect that the road is always asphalt because of the amount of truck traffic requires concrete. And you don't want to have continuous baustelles either.

[Verso]

I've discovered a way to kill radi:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2...jska056ky3.jpg

[radi6404]

Originally Posted by Verso

I've discovered a way to kill radi:
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2...jska056ky3.jpg

that´s some very big shit. I feel like somewhere in Africa there.

[Nephasto]

Originally Posted by radi6404

No and if they decide to put new color of the crashbarriers they will be shiny again aswell. But with shiny i mean if the markings can be seen clear and the asphalt is shiny, one colored, not neccesarily black. With shiny i generaly mean clean.

Well, it's important that one can clearly see the markings on the pavement, but on the photo's posted in here, you can see it clearly.
That's only a problem when the pain starts to wear off alot.

[radi6404]

I have a few German motorway pics aswell, that´s the Autobahn from Passau to Munich.





The Autobahn A81 some kilometers before Stuttgart, here you have trouble to see the markings.

[Verso]

Originally Posted by radi6404

that´s some very big shit. I feel like somewhere in Africa there.

I knew you'd love it!

[Verso]

I know radi's problem! He never drives under 200 km/h on motorways, so of course he complains all the time, who wouldn't?

[Patrick]

How about Autobahnen that were not built?

The red line was a plan that was dropped in 2003 by the pressure of environmentalists, to connect Koblenz and Siegen with a Autobahn. The blue line was an older plan, connecting Koblenz and Mittelhessen (Wetzlar/Gießen/Marburg).


Here is a bigger map of the so called Westerwaldautobahn planning. The 4 numbers in the south of the map refer to the 4 linked pictures below (all stuff taken from http://de.geocities.com/westerwaldautobahn/)
The scales may be different between the different parts of the map



1. http://de.geocities.com/westerwaldautobahn/hart1b.jpg
2. http://de.geocities.com/westerwaldautobahn/her2b.jpg
3. http://de.geocities.com/westerwaldautobahn/pano2b.jpg
4. http://de.geocities.com/westerwaldautobahn/pano1b.jpg

[ChrisZwolle]

Interesting! I know a lot of Deutsche Autobahnen, but i didn't know this one was planned... But there is an excellent road from Limburg to the A45?

[Patrick]

After the plans of the Autobahns were dropped, there are several plans to upgrade the existing Bundesstraßen.
The B49 from Limburg to Gießen is already partially 2+2 lanes, the rest is under construction or planned (the current 2+2 parts are from Limburg till the merge of the B54, the Weilburg bypass and from Wetzlar to the A480 north of Gießen). But it doesn't go through any town anymore.

For the B255 from Montabaur to Rennerod there are plans for upgrading it to mostly 2+1 and 2+2 and built bypasses around every town it goes through. Two small parts north of Montabaur and the next town are already 2+2 completed and the part in between is currently under construction.

The B414 from Altenkirchen to Hachenburg, Marienberg => Herborn gets also a partially upgrade to 2+1.

I don't know about the B54.

For the B413 there are several bypasses planned. My town already has the current only one since 15 years.



EDIT: the costs of the Westerwaldautobahn would have been around 560 million euros. Rumors say that the fornmer Rheinland-Pfalz Minister of Economies, Traffic, Agriculture and Viniculture, Hans-Artur Bauckhage, wanted to build his own monument since the Autobahn was close to his own hometown. Another conspicuity was, that the route would have been gone through 3 relocated areas that are owned by a big basalt quarry company.

[Energy2003]

i could offer A96 Austria - Memmingen

an Nr. 7 Memmingen - Kempten (but this road is gelbe autobahn)

[Patrick]

yeah, feel free to post them pictures are always nice. Never been in this region.

[ChrisZwolle]

Originally Posted by Energy2003

and Nr. 7 Memmingen - Kempten (but this road is gelbe autobahn)

Since when is the A7 a Gelbe Autobahn?