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Old December 1st, 2008, 07:05 PM   #1421
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Perhaps I've just become very used to the poorer quality road surface we get here and have forgotten what a decent road surface looks like!
I know I've asked this before, but has Obama said he is going to do something about the bad roads?
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Stettin? Wasn't that in Poland? Oh no, that's Szczecin
After WWII several Autohofs were named after lost german cities: Stettin, Breslau, Kolberg, Königsberg and few others.
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Old December 1st, 2008, 07:53 PM   #1423
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Those are some really great pictures, thanks. Sorry if I sound ignorant here - I've never traveled to continental Europe - but does the A2 have a speed limit, or are there some sections with speed limits and some without, or how does that work? The main reason I ask is that because even on the highest standard motorways around here, it isn't legal to drive faster than 110 km/h. Continental Europe is one of the places I'd really like to visit whenever I have the time and money to travel, mostly because of the high speed motorways there.
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but does the A2 have a speed limit, or are there some sections with speed limits and some without, or how does that work?
In general, speed limits are in places of very high traffic, tight turns, bigger junctions, located near cities(because of noise)

I'd search for a map

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does the A2 have a speed limit, or are there some sections with speed limits and some without, or how does that work?
Here you can find a map which shows all the Autobahns and their speedlimits. This map is taken from Autobahnatlas. But to answer your question, most parts of the A2 are without a speedlimit. Even in the Ruhr Area.

How does it work? Well, as given in the previous post it depends on the amount of traffic. There are also some sections which are without a speedlimit, with the exception of 22.00 till 06.00, i assume because of the noise. To be honest, i don't follow those limits.

Some information regarding speedlimits in Germany, taken from Wikipedia:

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German autobahns are famous for having no universal motorway speed limit, although about 30% of them have posted speed limits[16] and about 10% are equipped with motorway control systems that can show variable speed limits.[17] There is no national speed limit, either, for cars and motorcycles on any highway outside of towns if it has a central reservation or a minimum of two marked lanes per direction. On such roads, as well as motorways, a recommended speed limit (Richtgeschwindigkeit) of 130 km/h (80 mph) applies. While driving at higher speeds is not punishable, the increased risk induced by higher speeds (erhöhte Betriebsgefahr) may result in partial liability for damages. Moreover, the law forbids to travel at speeds that would prolong the vehicle's minimum halting distance beyond the driver's line of sight.[18] On all German roads, there are speed limits for trucks, buses, cars towing trailers, and small motorised vehicles (Mopeds, etc.).

The introduction of a national speed limit for motorways and similar roads has been on the agenda of various political and environmentalist groups for decades, but at present, there are still no definite plans on behalf of the federal government regarding the matter.

In 1973, in the wake of the oil crisis, a federal speed limit of 100 km/h on Autobahns was imposed to help conserve fuel for fear of impending future shortages (not for environmental or safety reasons). The measure only lasted from December 1973 to March 1974; while the administration and the Bundestag were in favor of keeping the speed limit, the Bundesrat pushed to repeal the law. As a compromise, a recommended speed was introduced on Autobahns and highways outside of built-up areas with a center divide or without a center divide and a continuous lane for overtaking in both directions". This law is basically still in effect today. Unrestricted non-Autobahn highways, however, have since become virtually non-existent or replaced by Schnellstraßen, Autobahn-like expressways typically limited of to 120 km/h and normally only covering a few kilometers.

The Umweltbundesamt (Federal Environmental Agency) repeated its recommendation of such regulation in early 2007, but the current Merkel administration sees no need for it. Even after a 2007 party congress held by the SPD, one of Germany's governing parties, where a proposal to impose a blanket speed limit was approved, there was outspoken opposition within the administration. At present, it is generally thought that a blanket speed limit would not be significantly beneficial, regarding both environmental and climate concerns and road safety. Current estimates conclude that a speed limit would reduce Germany's overall CO2 emission by a mere fraction of a percent, and in terms of highway safety, German Autobahns are among the world's safest.

Legally, however, state and even local authorities have the power to enact speed limits. A statewide binding speed limit of 130 km/h, for example, was established in Rhineland-Palatinate over a decade ago, whereas the district of Cologne has posted a speed limit on the heavily frequented Cologne Beltway. Effective April 9, 2008, Bremen began enforcing a general 120 kilometers per hour speed limit, citing environmental concerns. However, Bremen's new limit only impacted an additional 11 kilometers of Bremen's 60 kilometers of Autobahn [19]; most Brementown motorways already had some speed restriction due to congestion and noise. [20]

On rural roads that are neither motorways nor roads as described above, there is a national speed limit of 100 km/h (60 mph). Lower speed limits apply to lorries, some busses, and cars towing trailers.

There is a general speed limit within city limits, which are marked by distinctive rectangular yellow signs showing the name of the city, of 50 km/h (30 mph) but residential areas usually have a lower posted speed limit of 30 km/h (20 mph). On arterial roads, the speed limit may be raised to 60 or 70 km/h (37 to 43 mph). Motorways crossing cities count as normal Autobahns and can be used for travel within larger cities in many cases.

Minimum speeds are very rarely marked in Germany. Vehicles which cannot sustain speeds of 60 km/h are not allowed on the Autobahn, however.

In 2006, 57% of the German motorways had no speed limit at all. Roughly one third of regulated roads have computer-controlled traffic guiding systems with variable electronic signs along carriageways showing the set speed limit, or, current road conditions and traffic density allowing, indicating that no speed limit is set at the moment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_l...ountry#Germany
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When there's no limit, there is an adviced speed limit of 130 km/h. If you're involved in an accident when driving faster than 130 km/h, and the others in the accident drove slower than 130 km/h, it's your fault AFAIK.
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Well, not you fault only, but you're also guilty.

And don't forget to learn one new word in German - Geschwindigkeitsbegrenzung - speed limit. Repeat please
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Old December 1st, 2008, 08:18 PM   #1428
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Those are some really great pictures, thanks. Sorry if I sound ignorant here - I've never traveled to continental Europe - but does the A2 have a speed limit, or are there some sections with speed limits and some without, or how does that work? The main reason I ask is that because even on the highest standard motorways around here, it isn't legal to drive faster than 110 km/h. Continental Europe is one of the places I'd really like to visit whenever I have the time and money to travel, mostly because of the high speed motorways there.
Here you go:
The map of speed limits: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Limitkarte.pdf
And the legend: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/LegendeLimit_e.pdf

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Old December 1st, 2008, 08:19 PM   #1429
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101. Exit Lemgo
[IMG]http://i37.************/292bhcn.jpg[/IMG]

102. Exit Herford/Bad Salzuflen.
[IMG]http://i38.************/2vjep7t.jpg[/IMG]

103. Very clear signs imo.
[IMG]http://i38.************/anym4l.jpg[/IMG]

104. Notice the U route (detour route in cases of traffic jams/closures)
[IMG]http://i36.************/11wc4ye.jpg[/IMG]

105. Hannover is getting closer.
[IMG]http://i33.************/2dh61dd.jpg[/IMG]

106. Rest area Herford.
[IMG]http://i38.************/29597qr.jpg[/IMG]

107. Old narrow overpass.
[IMG]http://i37.************/2072fyf.jpg[/IMG]

108. Herford-Ost.
[IMG]http://i33.************/1464i0.jpg[/IMG]

109. Rural Germany.
[IMG]http://i36.************/10394eg.jpg[/IMG]

110. Yes, an Autobahnchurch! (Evangelical Autobahn Church)
[IMG]http://i38.************/vooi7o.jpg[/IMG]
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111. Exit Exter Exits here
[IMG]http://i38.************/2s77tsk.jpg[/IMG]

112. Nearing ABRob's land.
[IMG]http://i35.************/2zhksbl.jpg[/IMG]

113. Still hilly terrain.
[IMG]http://i35.************/t0mdyq.jpg[/IMG]

114. Exter bridge (165m above sealevel)
[IMG]http://i34.************/4ggsur.jpg[/IMG]

115. Berlin 365 kilometers.
[IMG]http://i37.************/11j85xw.jpg[/IMG]

116. View on the Weser Gap near Minden.
[IMG]http://i33.************/2gwypvb.jpg[/IMG]

117. Interchange Bad Oeynhausen ahead (A30)
[IMG]http://i37.************/23r7ip2.jpg[/IMG]

118. A30 ends very shortly east of this interchange.
[IMG]http://i37.************/2912sz7.jpg[/IMG]

119. We could turn to the Netherlands here.
[IMG]http://i34.************/mu94xe.jpg[/IMG]

120. But we like to enjoy Germany a little longer
[IMG]http://i34.************/o8upsi.jpg[/IMG]
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121. Unusual German city name.
[IMG]http://i38.************/jt179d.jpg[/IMG]

122. Minden is a somewhat larger city, but not very wellknown due to it's location somewhat further off the A2.
[IMG]http://i34.************/vwvgaw.jpg[/IMG]

123. 80 km/h during rain. I doubt anybody really follows that.
[IMG]http://i35.************/333j3aq.jpg[/IMG]

124. Rest Area Fuchsgrund.
[IMG]http://i35.************/2v0k4l3.jpg[/IMG]

125. Exit Veltheim.
[IMG]http://i38.************/209lnxk.jpg[/IMG]

126. This is a minor exit.
[IMG]http://i34.************/2janlfm.jpg[/IMG]

127. Driving through the Weser Mountains.
[IMG]http://i36.************/2mfmzo9.jpg[/IMG]

128. Hilly terrain, but not for long.
[IMG]http://i35.************/mt1hle.jpg[/IMG]

129. The A2 winds through the hills.
[IMG]http://i38.************/2qtiw07.jpg[/IMG]

130. Still heading east.
[IMG]http://i35.************/21kmcns.jpg[/IMG]

131. Touristic sign for Rinteln.
[IMG]http://i37.************/246t4yq.jpg[/IMG]

132. Heading into flatter terrain.
[IMG]http://i33.************/2i8k3rt.jpg[/IMG]

133. Exit Bad Eilsen ahead.
[IMG]http://i36.************/2w7lu10.jpg[/IMG]

134. Nice view again.
[IMG]http://i33.************/jza8mh.jpg[/IMG]

135. This is my exit.
[IMG]http://i37.************/2qtij9x.jpg[/IMG]

That's it folks!
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Nice pics, Chris! What's your next roadtrip coming up?
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I'm thinking of heading down the Rhine somewhere in the spring. Driving to Mainz via A61/A60 and then heading up north via the B9 or B42.
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On pic #116 is the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Denkmal in Porta Westfalica visible, quite interesting to visit!
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Here you can find a map which shows all the Autobahns and their speedlimits. This map is taken from Autobahnatlas. But to answer your question, most parts of the A2 are without a speedlimit. Even in the Ruhr Area.

How does it work? Well, as given in the previous post it depends on the amount of traffic. There are also some sections which are without a speedlimit, with the exception of 22.00 till 06.00, i assume because of the noise. To be honest, i don't follow those limits.
Thanks for that. Germany seems very well connected based on that map, although there does seem to be a disproportionate abundance of autobahns in the far west of the country.

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When there's no limit, there is an adviced speed limit of 130 km/h. If you're involved in an accident when driving faster than 130 km/h, and the others in the accident drove slower than 130 km/h, it's your fault AFAIK.
I think I remember reading that somewhere before. It's an interesting concept; I think I prefer it to the strict enforcement of unnecessarily low speed limits they like to practise over here.

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I think I should probably begin with something a little bit simpler.

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Here you go:
The map of speed limits: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/Limitkarte.pdf
And the legend: http://autobahnatlas-online.de/LegendeLimit_e.pdf

Edit: 909 already posted it...
Thanks for that; I was wondering where the legend was.
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Thanks for that. Germany seems very well connected based on that map, although there does seem to be a disproportionate abundance of autobahns in the far west of the country.
That is not a suprise because that's where Germany's largest (and one of the largest in Europe too) urban area is: the Rhine-Ruhr, home to cities like Cologne, Dusseldorf and the Ruhr area.

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I think I should probably begin with something a little bit simpler.
There you go:

Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft

Donau|dampfschif(f)|fahrts|elektrizitäten|haupt|betriebs|werkbau|unterbeamten|gesellschaft

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"association of subordinate officials of the head office management of the Danube steamboat electrical services" (the name of a pre-war club in Vienna) - Not really useful, this word is more of a desperate attempt to lengthen the word below.
It's quite hard for me to read, but not impossible I suppose also native German speakers have problems with that.

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As for the speed limits - is anuthing new known about possible introduction of obligatory 130 km/h?
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I bet that some people would like it, but most of the ideas are pushed back because of the "freedom of the driver" or sth, and that a German driver has the right to drive whatever speed he wants.

Oh, just one more thing: I just love the German language
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that a German driver has the right to drive whatever speed he wants
I just love when they are deliberately blocking the left lane when on a speed limit...

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I have never encounter that on autobahn and I made a lot of kms there. They are very good drivers and have good manners so they always make you space to overtake. Not to mention that deliberate blocking/driving on left lane is illegal (unless overtaking).
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