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Old December 17th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #1501
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Great. With the LKW-maut, they may be able to finance another tunnel to the Miquelallee in the future, completing the A66?
I don't think the Alleentunnel (A661 - Miquelallee) will ever be built. But I am hopeful that I am still alive the day the Allenspange (A661 - German National Library) goes under construction together with an upgrade of the Adickesallee (the only part of the northern Alleenring that is not 3+3 but 2+2). Traffic simulations have shown that the Alleenspange has much better effects on local traffic than the Alleentunnel.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 04:35 PM   #1502
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Pretty impressive, Chris. I've never seen so much snow.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 07:44 PM   #1503
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I was there around that time (I think anyway). Some roofs collapsed from the amount of snow that fell.

BTW any pics floating around of the Bad Oyenhausen works so far?
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Old December 17th, 2008, 08:55 PM   #1504
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I'd like to see that as well. To be finished in 2014 or sth
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Old December 21st, 2008, 09:46 PM   #1505
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I'd like to see that as well. To be finished in 2014 or sth
Hmmm...
What do you expect?
They have just dug a few holes and have recently started to build 2 small bridges for minor access roads: http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum...,114401#114401
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 12:08 AM   #1506
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Are the environimbylists still trying to stop the project? Is that's why it's going so slow?
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 07:30 PM   #1507
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Are the environimbylists still trying to stop the project? Is that's why it's going so slow?
Yes, they still want to stop it, so they're thinking of going to the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany, the main supremer court, with a Constitutional Complaint, because they're thinking their constitutional rights were violated -and they're also thinking of going to the European Court of Justice...
But no, they have no more direct influence on the progresing of the project.

It's normal here in Germany that such projects have a very slow start.
But next year they will speed up. At least 6 bridges are planned to build in 2009 and they also start to build the 2 river bridges.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 10:48 PM   #1508
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What do these crosswise lines mean? They're always before viaducts, but only some of them.

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Old December 23rd, 2008, 12:26 AM   #1509
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Those lines are usually used by the police to measure the distance between cars. When they do that they have cameras on the bridge.
With these markings they have a scale for the photos.

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Old December 23rd, 2008, 10:13 AM   #1510
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Can you get fined on this basis?
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 10:45 AM   #1511
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I think so, otherwise it would be quite useless
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 11:17 AM   #1512
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Can you get fined on this basis?
I think there's a law saying that buses and trucks must always stay 50m behind the car in front. Those markings look like they're 50 meters apart and the trucks are also staying about 50 meters apart, so that makes sense.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 11:19 AM   #1513
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Yes, they still want to stop it, so they're thinking of going to the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany, the main supremer court, with a Constitutional Complaint, because they're thinking their constitutional rights were violated -and they're also thinking of going to the European Court of Justice...
But no, they have no more direct influence on the progresing of the project.

It's normal here in Germany that such projects have a very slow start.
But next year they will speed up. At least 6 bridges are planned to build in 2009 and they also start to build the 2 river bridges.
wow that's starting to sound like the United States...
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 11:20 AM   #1514
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Can you get fined on this basis?
Yes, I saw a report of it on the ZDF channel. A problem in Germany are trucks which are driving too close to eachother, and tailgaters on the left lane who want to drive fast and everybody should get out of their way.

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I think there's a law saying that buses and trucks must always be 150 m away from the car in front of it.
2 seconds is more common.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 11:44 AM   #1515
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I thought the 3 second rule was the more important rule in Germany. 2 seconds feels more or less like a minimum distance.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 04:51 PM   #1516
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Ive read that the drivers in the netherlands can drive with 1-1,5 sec distance...

(they can reach 2500-3000/lane/h volume)
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 04:53 PM   #1517
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AFAIK it's two seconds over here.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 05:45 PM   #1518
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I remember an article (Chris posted in the Netherlands forum) which wrote about the extreme saturation of your motorways and the extreme short time gap between cars...

...but I cant find that article...
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 06:54 PM   #1519
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Officially, the minimum distance advertised by the Dutch government is 2 seconds. If everyone would do that during rushhours, traffic jams would double they are now. The fact that people are driving close to eachother reduces some near-congestion stretches of actual congestion. However, when it rains, people tend to have a safer distance, and hence traffic jams increase.

It was the Coentunnel in Amsterdam that had 3.000 vehicles/hour/lane.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 09:27 PM   #1520
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What's going on on A12 near the border? I found those pics on autobahn-bilder.de, they're definitely after Schengen and I can't recall this construction when driving there this summer:







after a few kms:


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