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Old January 20th, 2009, 07:12 PM   #1681
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It does not make a big difference if I am driving 190-200 in Germany or 130-140 in France; maybe just minutes - and if I can save lots of fuel - it's worth it.
my car's nominal speed is about 100-110km/h.
so I can save quite an extreme amount of fuel...
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Old January 20th, 2009, 09:08 PM   #1682
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An example by my experience with '92 Nissan Micra 1.0L 54hp which has a capacity of only 25 liters of petrol:

Grenzübergang Mesenich - Ransbach-Baumbach (via A64, A602, A1, A48 and A3) = 155 km

Having a slow ride = ap. 1/3 of the tank will be empty = travel time 105 minutes (with construction sites)
Having a fast ride = ap. 2/3 of the tank will be empty = travel time 55 minutes (a small period when there was no construction site at the whole route)
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Old January 20th, 2009, 09:11 PM   #1683
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Driving at top speed all the time? I mean, 55 minutes for 155 km/h means you have to drive about 160 km/h on average, so 170 - 180 seems more likely. And that with a 1.0 liter Nissan Micra? Something's not right there.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #1684
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Driving at top speed all the time? I mean, 55 minutes for 155 km/h means you have to drive about 160 km/h on average, so 170 - 180 seems more likely. And that with a 1.0 liter Nissan Micra? Something's not right there.
I managed 165 km/h in my 1.0L Daihatsu Sirion once, but that was on a downward slope. Its top speed on a level road was about 155 km/h.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 09:16 PM   #1685
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Driving at top speed all the time? I mean, 55 minutes for 155 km/h means you have to drive about 160 km/h on average, so 170 - 180 seems more likely. And that with a 1.0 liter Nissan Micra? Something's not right there.
That car has no weight, it flies over the highway, and it was night, no traffic
maybe it was 2-3 minutes more, but I once made that route in less than an hour

I just calcuted: 58 minutes make an average speed of 160.
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Old January 20th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #1686
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Germany has 3.75m in newer stretches, 3.25m in older stretches.
If you exclude the few remaining stretches from before WWII 3.75m is standard. 3.5m only on low congested sections, urban motorways and 2lanes per direction of newer 6/8 lane motorways (on older motorways, all lanes are 3.75m). Shoulders are 2.5 - 3.5m.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 04:42 PM   #1687
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If you exclude the few remaining stretches from before WWII 3.75m is standard. 3.5m only on low congested sections, urban motorways and 2lanes per direction of newer 6/8 lane motorways (on older motorways, all lanes are 3.75m). Shoulders are 2.5 - 3.5m.
3,75 m is a motorway standard from the 1930s. All pre-war motorways I know have lanes as wide as 3,75 m. Narrow lanes is a fashion of recent years.
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Old January 21st, 2009, 06:43 PM   #1688
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3,75 m is a motorway standard from the 1930s.
Even better...
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 07:49 AM   #1689
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Is this on the way to Munich? Cause I was driving from Innsbruck a few weeks ago, and they had the divided northbound lanes, with the higher section only for trucks, and me, not paying attention accidently took the upper part and got a f***ing ticket!
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 05:24 PM   #1690
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I think it's somewhere on A9 between Münich and Nürnberg.
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 06:56 PM   #1691
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I think it's somewhere on A9 between Münich and Nürnberg.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=4...87891&t=k&z=14

It appears to be a section that was upgraded from 2x2 to 2x3 by adding a completely new three-lane southbound roadway on another course, then splitting the 'old' road into two northbound automobile-only lanes on the former southbound side and two trucks/lorries-only lanes on the former northbound side.

No idea and to the 'why' of such a split.

The adjacent high-speed railway was built on an independent course.

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Old January 23rd, 2009, 07:20 PM   #1692
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No idea and to the 'why' of such a split.
We've already discussed it. I think it already existed, so it was cheaper (which is also logical, if one carriageway is above the other).
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:46 AM   #1693
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I have road in german Autobahn i think a 1000 of thimes and i think that are the best highways along whit the american highways
German Motorways are mutch better than the american ones.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #1694
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Another 'where is/was it planned to go and what, if any, is its prognosis?' question:

A-93 southwest from the A-9?

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=4...43945&t=k&z=15

A-9 run south to north, A-93 runs to the northeast. That little town is Eschelbach an der lim.

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Old January 25th, 2009, 02:41 AM   #1695
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I think the speed limits should not be restricted to 130 km/h on all Autobahns, but the tremendous increase in truck traffic just doesn't makes it safe anymore to speed on all Autobahns. About 60% already has a speed limit, and I would like to see some more.
I don't agree. Me usually crossing Germany from east to west during the night (mostly empty motorways) unlimited speeds make great difference. I easily save at least 2 hours of driving and not pushing car too much.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 02:49 AM   #1696
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I don't agree with the speed limits either.

Unlimited speed limits works. The accident rates are as high as american ones, with their hideusly low limits and loads of cars. And about gas guzzling - for crying out loud, it's my gas. I don't drive a 3-tonne American SUV - I drive a European diesel compact which consumes as much fuel at 160km/h as a SUV at 100km/h. I've paid for it, and I've paid all taxes with it. Let me use it for whatever I want.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 05:32 PM   #1697
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Basically, you have a point.
As we see regularly, German car lobby is strong enough to block the speed limit suggestions.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 06:55 AM   #1698
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In fact, I would like to see more unlimited/higher speed limit sections on rural motorways through sparsely-populated areas in other countries - but only if the standard of roads and driver training / education in that jurisdiction is sufficient.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #1699
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I don't agree with the speed limits either.

(...) I don't drive a 3-tonne American SUV - I drive a European diesel compact which consumes as much fuel at 160km/h as a SUV at 100km/h. I've paid for it, and I've paid all taxes with it. Let me use it for whatever I want.
But speeding is annoying and that makes the difference between driving in Germany and USA. And I don't think it's good to let everybody use his car for whatever he wants. That's the main reason for me to plade for speed limits in Germany.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 12:47 PM   #1700
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Driving on highways with artifically low speed limits through sparsely populated rural areas causes dangerous boredom and fatigue, which is the main reason I believe in higher / unlimited speed through such areas.

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And I don't think it's good to let everybody use his car for whatever he wants.
The way I see it, people who intend to drive dangerously will do so regardless of whether there are speed limits.

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